Labour govt 2020-23

[iceman]

A scathing article in the Herald as well, written by Audrey Young, starting like this:

"In the four days since the Government outlined changes to "hate speech" law, it has become obvious from comments by the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, that she does not understand them."

[fungus pudding]

A scathing article in the Herald as well, written by Audrey Young, starting like this:

"In the four days since the Government outlined changes to "hate speech" law, it has become obvious from comments by the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, that she does not understand them."

We don't need hate speech laws. Fair enough to legislate against inciting violence or vandalism. But if I decide to hate something, or someone, I'll dam well say so. (Not that I do - currently, but you never know who or what is going to get right up your nose). So legislate by all means but start by forgetting the inappropriate and corny 'hate speech' moniker. (Which would be close to impossible to define for a kick-off)

[artemis]

We don't need hate speech laws. Fair enough to legislate against inciting violence or vandalism. But if I decide to hate something, or someone, I'll dam well say so. (Not that I do - currently, but you never know who or what is going to get right up your nose). So legislate by all means but start by forgetting the inappropriate and corny 'hate speech' moniker. (Which would be close to impossible to define for a kick-off)

The PM's position on the Christchurch call dictates some action must be announced.

Anyway, apparently the courts will be deciding. Which depends on what Police decide to prosecute.

(Planning to load up on popcorn company shares. )

[Zaphod]

The PM's position on the Christchurch call dictates some action must be announced.

Anyway, apparently the courts will be deciding. Which depends on what Police decide to prosecute.

(Planning to load up on popcorn company shares. )

I'd certainly hate to be the test case!

Perhaps the first case could be brought due to backlash against antivaxers if we fail to meet heard immunity targets, and are forced to continue fortress NZ? Hopefully not.

[BlackPeter]

I'd certainly hate to be the test case!

Perhaps the first case could be brought due to backlash against antivaxers if we fail to meet heard immunity targets, and are forced to continue fortress NZ? Hopefully not.

I'd love to see a backlash against antivaxers ...

Hope loving is allowed in the proposed law?

[peetter]

Its never that simple, a nurse may own a home here or be with a partner with good income or may simply prefer to live in NZ - pure speculation on your part

I specificaly mentioned starting nurse, because young people without any ties are the most likely to leave. I did the same thing. However much I might like my place of origin, if I can make better living somewhere else, I'd be stupid not to.

[peetter]

I'd certainly hate to be the test case!

Perhaps the first case could be brought due to backlash against antivaxers if we fail to meet heard immunity targets, and are forced to continue fortress NZ? Hopefully not.

I wonder if the hate law is going to be universal or if it will specifically allow hate against middle aged white guys

[fungus pudding]

I wonder if the hate law is going to be universal or if it will specifically allow hate against middle aged white guys

Of course it will. After all discrimination laws allow discrimination but only if it favours a minority.

[Bjauck]

I wonder if the hate law is going to be universal or if it will specifically allow hate against middle aged white guys

Young people are affected too. Admission to some University Courses can be determined by "verified" racial or national ancestry under the "Mirror on Society" selection policies. It will be interesting to see how criticism of such policies will be tolerated, and to what extent, under the new proposals.

[dobby41]

Of course it will. After all discrimination laws allow discrimination but only if it favours a minority.

Positive discrimination (which is what you are talking about) is quite different to hate speech.