Labour govt 2020-23

[Bjauck]

Imo think its good policy to incentivise the good and penalise the bad, i.e. good to switch to EV's & Hybrids with rebates and penalise the bad - high emission vehicles with a tax if you need to drive change (which we urgently do).
Just driving around Auckland city there are so so many single drivers driving around these massive gas guzzling status symbol 4x4's.
Every 2nd real estate agent seems to have one for a start.
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So true and I do see your point. However I think it best to reduce the total car fleet, whether EV or not. In South Auckland there are lots of housing estates being built dependent on cars. If only they were built around a tram/train network and close to commercial centres where the residents could work without having to commute across the city.

As it is we are still encouraging private car use and demanding new multi-lame roads to cater for their use.

[Balance]

So much angst about SUVs & 4WD expressed without a fundamental assessment & understanding of why they are so popular & are the vehicles of choice for most families.

Which part of recreational vehicle, suited for the great outdoors, long distance driving, practical for sports & commerce and yes, safety do the complainants of them not understand?

Pathetic.

[BlackPeter]

So much angst about SUVs & 4WD expressed without a fundamental assessment & understanding of why they are so popular & are the vehicles of choice for most families.

Which part of recreational vehicle, suited for the great outdoors, long distance driving, practical for sports & commerce and yes, safety do the complainants of them not understand?

Pathetic.

Sigh - looking at your latest posts on this thread it feels you are inspired by kindergarten bullies - or is it agent orange?

Which part of Global warming do you not understand? ... It is not just NZ seeing more and more climate disasters in the meantime it feels on a weekly / monthly basis. The tidy up of Canterbury is still in full swing (with farmers expecting a huge handout from the taxpayer - 200 year event you see), the tornado in Auckland is still in fresh memory and yesterday it was the Westcoast and Marlborough suffering a hundred year deluge. Who knows whose term it is next week?

North America (incl Canada) suffering under a heat wave as bad they never had before and in middle Europe the flooding is worse than ever before in historic times.

... and you are howling for the poor farmers and still worse for the poor recreational 4WD users - of course they need to have their fun as cheap as possible. The freedom to destroy our habitat is clearly something worthwhile howling for. Who cares about the globe and keeping the earth habitable? - Clearly not you.

[Panda-NZ-]

NZ locals have been paying more for food in the supermarket than any other country, that's the subsidy.

10km distance travelled is more expensive than 4,000km.

[Zaphod]

Maybe the Kiwi car dealers will get a cut of that price increase too. Farmers provide a big chunk of NZ exports so to the extent that their farm vehicles cannot be replaced by EVs, their costs have increased. So the vehicles used in productive activities have been made more expensive whereas the wealthier surburbanites and commuters have access to cheaper EVs & hybrids.

So will the result be more congested surburban roads and less profitable exports? If anything I think the new tax on Utes and 4wds (amongst others) should have been put towards better public transport/infrastructure not in making some other cars cheaper.

I have no doubt that dealers are also taking a cut. One model we were looking at that was already landed in NZ prior to the subsidy being announced, went up by a similar amount to the ones at auction in Japan. Some of this price rise will be driven by immense world-wide demand for the vehicles as well as components of which many are now in short supply.

The government have indicated that they will release a public transport package, but this should have been done prior to or at least simultaneously with the EV subsidy package. Promoting the package as a “clean car subsidy” has helped reinforce the perception that by purchasing an EV we are now driving a completely environmentally friendly vehicle and do not need to compromise our lifestyle in any way, yet these vehicles still do cause pollution and consume valuable resources.

Two colleagues of mine no longer take public transport to work, instead driving their second-hand EV’s to ensure maximum enjoyment of gridlock. Their response to my queries as to why they have chosen this is that EV’s are completely environmentally friendly, and that public transport is dangerous given the signals from government that even in a covid-free environment masks must be worn when travelling on public transport.

The whole package feels like just another knee-jerk reaction lacking a fully fleshed out long-term strategy.

[fungus pudding]

NZ locals have been paying more for food in the supermarket than any other country, that's the subsidy.

When did you last fill your grocery trolley in Iceland? Switzerland?

[fungus pudding]

NZ locals have been paying more for food in the supermarket than any other country, that's the subsidy.

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I try to rhyme
all the time.

[dobby41]

So much angst about SUVs & 4WD expressed without a fundamental assessment & understanding of why they are so popular & are the vehicles of choice for most families.

Which part of recreational vehicle, suited for the great outdoors, long distance driving, practical for sports & commerce and yes, safety do the complainants of them not understand?

Pathetic.

Got any stats on how many of them go into the great outdoors (aside from the supermarket carpark)?

[fungus pudding]

Got any stats on how many of them go into the great outdoors (aside from the supermarket carpark)?

A large percentage of what are called SUV's are just 2 wheel drive vehicles which are higher riding. Nothing to do with the great outdoors. It's all about getting in or out once your knees/hips and spouse hit the age where their bits don't work. Manufacturers know only too well who the new car buyers are and the vast majoriy of pvt. buyers are well into the older catergory.
Naturally these things are well represented in the 2cnd hand market now. Swat up the specs on most popular 'SUVs' and they're not much different from small to medium saloon cars of a year or two ago.

[dobby41]

A large percentage of what are called SUV's are just 2 wheel drive vehicles which are higher riding. Nothing to do with the great outdoors. It's all about getting in or out once your knees/hips and spouse hit the age where their bits don't work. Manufacturers know only too well who the new car buyers are and the vast majoriy of pvt. buyers are well into the older catergory.
Naturally these things are well represented in the 2cnd hand market now. Swat up the specs on most popular 'SUVs' and they're not much different from small to medium saloon cars of a year or two ago.

True re the SUVs - also a lot are quite economical.
Of course, though much-maligned, they aren't going to get any extra fee either.
A Mitsubishi Outlander has no fee (or rebate).

A lot of people are looking at the headlines rather than the facts.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...X722RSL3TJWJI/