Labour govt 2020-23

[dobby41]

it is becoming one of the leading issues. The number of gang members is estimated to have increased by 50% since Ardern became PM. We also need to address the underlying causes behind the appeal of criminal gangs to increasing numbers of young people.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA21...ew-zealand.htm

An interesting one from National.
If you are a gang member and the police know you'll be put on the list.
If you leave the gang you don't get taken off the list.
The list is of past and present gang members so saying it is going up is a poor use of the data.
National have been told this numerous times in the house but they want to use the data for their purpose.

[dobby41]

Another police officer brutally attacked today. This is becoming a common occurrence and the PM & other Ministers stay quiet. And what about their MP that was the President of the police officer’s union before he became a MP ? Why is that gutless person not speaking up for his former colleagues? This is the result of the Government’s soft approach to crime & gangs. Not only are they stuffing the country economically long term, now it’s becoming lawless as well with our police officers attacked on nearly daily basis without the equipment to defend themselves. Wake up Jacinda

I don't know the case you refer to but have all the recent attacks been from gangs?
Certainly some recent ones haven't been but people like to join the 2 for their purposes.

By the way - I don't support gangs in any way, they are a scourge on society.
But saying that everything that happens is because of gangs is false.

[fungus pudding]

I am still extremely surprised criminal organizations work publicly in NZ. That's something unheard of where I come from and I find it a failure of government.

Criminal organizations do not 'work publicly' in NZ. They are subject to the same laws as you and me, and if caught breaking the law, Mr. Plod will sort them out.

[peetter]

Criminal organizations do not 'work publicly' in NZ. They are subject to the same laws as you and me, and if caught breaking the law, Mr. Plod will sort them out.

I find this statement funny couple weeks after gang blocked whatever streets they wanted in Auckland and Police only blocked law abiding citizens from the areas for their safety.

[BlackPeter]

I find this statement funny couple weeks after gang blocked whatever streets they wanted in Auckland and Police only blocked law abiding citizens from the areas for their safety.

I find your statement funny as well, to avoid using a Greek word starting with "hypo" and ending with "critical". My understanding is that there was a huge funeral in Auckland and some roads have been clogged up due to many people lawfully attending this funeral. Police regulated the traffic, as they do in such circumstances.

Public was as well inconvenienced last Friday when a huge bunch of brainless farmers clogged up roads in many of our towns to howl for their perceived right to destroy our environment and damage the climate as cheap as possible. Did you complain about that as well?

[fungus pudding]

I find this statement funny couple weeks after gang blocked whatever streets they wanted in Auckland and Police only blocked law abiding citizens from the areas for their safety.

It's hardly turning their backs on crime. As BP points out a whole bunch of tractor drivers invaded the streets last weekend driving unregistered and unwarranted vehicles outside their legally permitted areas, and were accompanied by a police escort.
That's police using their discretion and common sense. Crowd control becomes the over-riding factor.

[Bjauck]

Double posted...

[Bjauck]

I find this statement funny couple weeks after gang blocked whatever streets they wanted in Auckland and Police only blocked law abiding citizens from the areas for their safety.

At that time I encountered a group of motorcycle riders many without helmets and doing wheelies on an Auckland motorway. I was with a couple of kids and had veer to the side of the motorway as the bikies weaved in and out of the lanes. Just about all vehicles had to park up on the hard shoulder whilst this group took over the highway. I do not not know if they had any gang affiliations. Several times last Summer I was at South Auckland Parks (with children) when they were invaded by groups of helmetless motorbike riders who drove through the public when they were on sports fields. These types of events have definitely become more common in my experience.

[fungus pudding]

At that time I encountered a group of motorcycle riders many without helmets and doing wheelies on an Auckland motorway. I was with a couple of kids and had veer to the side of the motorway as the bikies weaved in and out of the lanes. Just about all vehicles had to park up on the hard shoulder whilst this group took over the highway. I do not not know if they had any gang affiliations. Several times last Summer I was at South Auckland Parks (with children) when they were invaded by groups of helmetless motorbike riders who drove through the public when they were on sports fields. These type f events have definitely become more common in my experience.

Obviously a clear case of 'a criminal organisation working publicly'.

[peetter]

It's hardly turning their backs on crime. As BP points out a whole bunch of tractor drivers invaded the streets last weekend driving unregistered and unwarranted vehicles outside their legally permitted areas, and were accompanied by a police escort.
That's police using their discretion and common sense. Crowd control becomes the over-riding factor.

It's a case of public criminal organization laughing into faces of every law abiding citizen of NZ, showing they can do whatever they want because they don't care about law and regulations.

Meanwhile farmers protesting is a democratic protest of law following citizens who don't like new proposed regulations and want to be heard. However they will follow them even if they don't like the regulations.

If you don't see the difference than there's not much reason to talk to you really.

I find your statement funny as well, to avoid using a Greek word starting with "hypo" and ending with "critical". My understanding is that there was a huge funeral in Auckland and some roads have been clogged up due to many people lawfully attending this funeral. Police regulated the traffic, as they do in such circumstances.

Well this is a nice marketing way of spinning it