Labour govt 2020-23

[jonu]

Its National who are trying to be divisive.A tired redundant hangover from the self entitled past era. This Govt are doing the opposite, having the discussions, bringing us up to speed with change and being responsible and enacting on it. Some feel threatened, they want to hold on to the unfair playing field that kept them and their false entitled. Change is a natural evolving progress, nothing to fear except fairness and inclusiveness. Unless you dont want to move with the times. Gotta keep that grey matter pliable or stay rigid and start losing some brain cells. Keep up.

Yeah...let's keep up to speed by money laundering the Mongrel Mob's proceeds of crime for them. All aboard JT? You can bark and sieg heil as well if you like. You'll fit right in!

[dobby41]

Yeah...let's keep up to speed by money laundering the Mongrel Mob's proceeds of crime for them. All aboard JT? You can bark and sieg heil as well if you like. You'll fit right in!

You are singing from the National handbook - twist what happens any which way.
It isn't working for them - people have wised up. (Remember the Iwi-Kiwi billboards of the past?)

[BlackPeter]

As long as Collins tries to please Nationals hard right backward looking rednecks

Hard right rednecks? This is the country where a moderate bloke like Don Brash is portrayed by our media as a racist to the right of Genghis Khan and Adolph H. The media are a disgraceful bunch who shape public opinion at every turn.

The opposition parties need to combat an agenda of 'separatism by stealth' that this Labour government is clearly implementing. It is the courageous and moral thing to do and should be applauded not condemned.

LOL - Maybe you need to revisit your position in the political spectrum? If you disagree with the majority of the people (that's whom the media try to please) - than maybe it is not the majority who is leaving the centre?

Anyway - not many extremists around, who realise that this is what they are. I am sure that even Adolf, Joseph as well as chairman Mao always thought that they are very reasonable people without extremist views.

One indicator I found useful to decide whether people are still democrats or whether they crossed already the line to the dark side: if they start to bash the free press (like e.g. the orange gorilla who used to be POTUS), then you know that they crossed the line and moved too far away from the democratic centre.

Anybody who needs to bash the free press has something to hide.

[jonu]

You are singing from the National handbook - twist what happens any which way.
It isn't working for them - people have wised up. (Remember the Iwi-Kiwi billboards of the past?)

Wised up or fed a state funded propaganda campaign to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars?
Anything incorrect in what I posted? Are you happy for proceeds of crime money to be laundered back to the arseholes who wreak havoc on our communities? Seig heiling, barking arseholes!

[jonu]

LOL - Maybe you need to revisit your position in the political spectrum? If you disagree with the majority of the people (that's whom the media try to please) - than maybe it is not the majority who is leaving the centre?

Anyway - not many extremists around, who realise that this is what they are. I am sure that even Adolf, Joseph as well as chairman Mao always thought that they are very reasonable people without extremist views.

One indicator I found useful to decide whether people are still democrats or whether they crossed already the line to the dark side: if they start to bash the free press (like e.g. the orange gorilla who used to be POTUS), then you know that they crossed the line and moved too far away from the democratic centre.

Anybody who needs to bash the free press has something to hide.

Problem is we don't have a "Free Press". It has become a state funded propaganda machine to the tune of 2 x $50 million dollar bribes that had requirement to report on certain issues. "Free Press"?

[BlackPeter]

Problem is we don't have a "Free Press". It has become a state funded propaganda machine to the tune of 2 x $50 million dollar bribes that had requirement to report on certain issues. "Free Press"?

Actually - I think that Radio NZ is doing a quite reasonable and balanced job. And yes, they are taxpayer funded.

Both the NZ Herald as well as stuff are private entities - and while they are both a bit "thin" resource wise, I don't see any systematic political bias. NZ Herald publishes a lot of articles written by Richard Prebble. Do you consider him as too left?

Ah - and I assume you realise that Matthew Hooton (another regular for the Herald) used to work for National. He too left as well?

Not really a view on the TV news. Sure, they are shallow and often trespass the line from news to entertainment (I think infotainment is the word) but a propaganda machine???

Again - if you find that most people including the (yes - free) press and senior National as well as Act Party members are standing left of you, than maybe you are not standing in the centre :

[dobby41]

Problem is we don't have a "Free Press". It has become a state funded propaganda machine to the tune of 2 x $50 million dollar bribes that had requirement to report on certain issues. "Free Press"?

Please provide proof that the press is state-funded to the point that they JUST do the Govt's bidding.
I am well aware of the funding that gave to keep them afloat but that is for projects, not general media.
There are a lot of articles negative to the govt (in mainstream media) - how do you reconcile that with doing the Govt's bidding?

[jonu]

Actually - I think that Radio NZ is doing a quite reasonable and balanced job. And yes, they are taxpayer funded.

Both the NZ Herald as well as stuff are private entities - and while they are both a bit "thin" resource wise, I don't see any systematic political bias. NZ Herald publishes a lot of articles written by Richard Prebble. Do you consider him as too left?

Not really a view on the TV news. Sure, they are shallow and often trespass the line from news to entertainment (I think infotainment is the word) but a propaganda machine???

Again - if you find that most people including the (yes - free) press are standing left of you, than maybe you are not standing in the centre :

And how hard are these private entities going to bite the hand that feeds them? Is it a coincidence that both Stuff and the Herald both now have specialised Maori Issues sections? Stuff are currently are running propaganda on both Covid and Climate Change as well. They regularly run "explainer" pieces which suit Ardern's position very well. Only now the Minister for Propaganda's name isn't Joseph Goebbels, it's Jacinda Ardern.

But everything is OK. Cindy is keeping you safe. She's spending your grandchildren's tax dollars, but you'll be safe and warm....cosy. Sleep well.

[dobby41]

And how hard are these private entities going to bite the hand that feeds them? Is it a coincidence that both Stuff and the Herald both now have specialised Maori Issues sections? Stuff are currently are running propaganda on both Covid and Climate Change as well. They regularly run "explainer" pieces which suit Ardern's position very well. Only now the Minister for Propaganda's name isn't Joseph Goebbels, it's Jacinda Ardern.

But everything is OK. Cindy is keeping you safe. She's spending your grandchildren's tax dollars, but you'll be safe and warm....cosy. Sleep well.

I do sleep well knowing things aren't run like some other countries - our neighbor especially.

[jonu]

Please provide proof that the press is state-funded to the point that they JUST do the Govt's bidding.
I am well aware of the funding that gave to keep them afloat but that is for projects, not general media.
There are a lot of articles negative to the govt (in mainstream media) - how do you reconcile that with doing the Govt's bidding?

Smell the coffee dobby41. Bribe money to prop them up in an economy that we are told is doing well. Funds for "special projects" like their new Maori Issues sections and Covid propaganda campaign (2 areas that suit Ardern very well), frees up funds for elsewhere.

What are you more comfortable with? A Press that is receiving unneeded government subsidy or an independent Press beholden only to its readers?