Labour govt 2020-23

[Balance]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...ce-in-auckland

Excellent example of the ‘all spin & no delivery’ Cindy government - big vaccination event a shambles with waiting time of several hours. Saying they cannot organise a bun fight in a bakery is an insult to the bakery!

And this :

‘Acting Covid-19 response minister Dr Ayesha Verrall deemed today's mass vaccination event the "Olympics of vaccination" and was confident health staff would claim gold.’

Gold? How the heck to claim gold when they are presented with dog turd organisation to deal with?

[Balance]

You've missed my point entirely and perhaps didn't even read that article. The problem is the COMPOSITION of that wealth. Like the politicians, the rich in NZ hold it in residential properties. They're not holding shares or equities on the NZX in any significant portion.

The article is pointing out how NZ politicians have a conflict of interest in dealing with rising house prices (they don't like to see their investment portfolios crash in value). Compare that to the top wealthy in America which hold most of their wealth in the stock market? Does it matter if the equity markets have crashes? No so to the rich who really don't need that extra $.

You can argue wealth is wealth - but the fact being, the wealthy in NZ have become wealthy at the cost of the others that can NOT get into their first home. Meaning when house prices rise too fast - it mostly affects those that are trying to save for a deposit. In comparison, the movements of share prices mean nothing to those people that can't even buy a house.

NZ didn't get to #1 status of most unaffordable housing in the OECD for nothing.

I hear you and I don't disagree with you at all. The issue at hand is that property has and will always be the largest component of any country's wealth - bar none. NZ is an extreme but by how much?

Any government can change the balance of wealth distribution via taxes or transformative housing programs.

CGT would have been an excellent start but Cindy shot that one down after promising to bring one in. Opportunity lost. We see NZ companies & assets (like property) sold via company shares being sold overseas for hundreds of millions of dollars/billions of dollars and the proceeds are all tax free.

Transformative housing program, like what NZ did after the war and during the 50s & 60s via a massive state housing building program, will unquestionably change the balance of wealth in favor of first home buyers.

So why does the government not do it? I see lack of vision and boldness as the principal reasons why. Adding on staff by the thousands to spin and cover up broken promises & non-delivery on undertakings seems to be the modus operandi of this government.

[dobby41]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...ce-in-auckland

Excellent example of the ‘all spin & no delivery’ Cindy government - big vaccination event a shambles with waiting time of several hours. Saying they cannot organise a bun fight in a bakery is an insult to the bakery!

And this :

‘Acting Covid-19 response minister Dr Ayesha Verrall deemed today's mass vaccination event the "Olympics of vaccination" and was confident health staff would claim gold.’

Gold? How the heck to claim gold when they are presented with dog turd organisation to deal with?

And by 3pm they were back on track without queues.

[Bjauck]

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...ce-in-auckland

Excellent example of the ‘all spin & no delivery’ Cindy government - big vaccination event a shambles with waiting time of several hours. Saying they cannot organise a bun fight in a bakery is an insult to the bakery!

And this :

‘Acting Covid-19 response minister Dr Ayesha Verrall deemed today's mass vaccination event the "Olympics of vaccination" and was confident health staff would claim gold.’

Gold? How the heck to claim gold when they are presented with dog turd organisation to deal with?

Although allowing walk-ins as well, a British mass vaccination event had queues in the morning - plain sailing in the afternoon. It sounds par for the course for that type of event. We do not live in routine times.

Queues Longer Than Glastonbury
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/t...e-b938120.html

[Blue Skies]

British mass vaccination event had queues in the morning - plain sailing in the afternoon. It sounds par for the course for that type of event. We do not live in routine times.

Queues Longer Than Glastonbury
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/t...e-b938120.html

Agreed, when you look at the logistics of an operation of this size, the level of organisation required involving a medical procedure, the sheer numbers - several thousand people to move through per day, and combine that with the fickleness of human nature with some arriving early, some late, you would have to say that was a pretty good result esp for the first day.

It's a shame some people will moan and complain about anything (not referring to Balance but some who experienced delays while waiting for their free vaccination) when all those people involved in helping get hopefully over 16,000 people vaccinated this weekend deserve our thanks rather than condemnation.

Let's see how days 2 and 3 go.

[fungus pudding]

Agreed, when you look at the logistics of an operation of this size, the level of organisation required involving a medical procedure, the sheer numbers - several thousand people to move through per day, and combine that with the fickleness of human nature with some arriving early, some late, you would have to say that was a pretty good result esp for the first day.

It's a shame some people will moan and complain about anything (not referring to Balance but some who experienced delays while waiting for their free vaccination) when all those people involved in helping get hopefully over 16,000 people vaccinated this weekend deserve our thanks rather than condemnation.

Let's see how days 2 and 3 go.

The vaccination is not free, as you claim. It's costing a fortune, albeit money well spent

[Blue Skies]

The vaccination is not free, as you claim. It's costing a fortune, albeit money well spent

You can't be serious, suggesting ('as you claim') I'm claiming Pfizer is giving this country millions vaccine doses for free!

No,... to spell it out, just that the individual receiving their jab doesn't directly have to pay for it to get it. (yes indirectly through taxation if they are a taxpayer)

[fungus pudding]

You can't be serious, suggesting ('as you claim') I'm claiming Pfizer is giving this country millions vaccine doses for free!

No,... to spell it out, just that the individual receiving their jab doesn't directly have to pay for it to get it. (yes indirectly through taxation if they are a taxpayer)

You can't be serious! I did not claim you had said Pfizer donated millions worth of vaccine. You simply made the absurd statement that vaccination costs nothing. At least you now acknowledge that it is hugely expensive. Well done.

[Balance]

You can't be serious! I did not claim you had said Pfizer donated millions worth of vaccine. You simply made the absurd statement that vaccination costs nothing. At least you now acknowledge that it is hugely expensive. Well done.

Think about the hundreds of people waiting in the queue for hours to get their jabs - time is money.

Not that this government would know since they have delivered bugger all in 4 years on any of their big promises of affordable & plentiful housing, eradicating child poverty and so on & so forth.

[Bjauck]

Think about the hundreds of people waiting in the queue for hours to get their jabs - time is money.

Not that this government would know since they have delivered bugger all in 4 years on any of their big promises of affordable & plentiful housing, eradicating child poverty and so on & so forth.

To be fair, the slogan Labour possibly borrowed from an over 80’s exercise group “Let’s Keep Moving” doesn’t commit to a fast speed or any particular direction for travel. So it could be around in circles
https://www.labour.org.nz/

You can join Labour and join their movement. Maybe there will be a movement each day?