Labour govt 2020-23

[dobby41]

Aim for 100, call it the target. Obviously you get what you get.

People seem to want to know at what % we can open the border.
If we have a target of 100% won't people just say 'well that's impossible so the Govt just wants to keep us locked up'?
It's the vaccination target before we open that people want.
They have already said that they want as many as possible vaccinated and that they have ordered enough for everyone.

[fungus pudding]

People seem to want to know at what % we can open the border.

Some people might want to know. I don't. There is new information daily which will help provide an answer to that. That's as much as I know. Don't let it worry you.

[Balance]

Some people might want to know. I don't. There is new information daily which will help provide an answer to that. That's as much as I know. Don't let it worry you.

10,000 new homes build a year?

[Logen Ninefingers]

10,000 new homes build a year?

That's where they went wrong. They set a target. Because they set a target it followed that those that are "just complacent, or lazy" - i.e. Twyford, Woods, and the rest - couldn't be stuffed trying to meet it.

[dobby41]

Some people might want to know. I don't. There is new information daily which will help provide an answer to that. That's as much as I know. Don't let it worry you.

It doesn't worry me - this discussion didn't come from worry.

[dobby41]

That's where they went wrong. They set a target. Because they set a target it followed that those that are "just complacent, or lazy" - i.e. Twyford, Woods, and the rest - couldn't be stuffed trying to meet it.

What do you think the target should be - if not 100%?
Should the country open if we then don't reach that target (vaccine hesitancy etc)? Stay closed?
I am curious as to what angle some people are coming from.

[fungus pudding]

That's where they went wrong. They set a target. Because they set a target it followed that those that are "just complacent, or lazy" - i.e. Twyford, Woods, and the rest - couldn't be stuffed trying to meet it.

I don't think complacency or laziness comes into it. They simply didn't know how to, so incompetence is the problem.

[Blue Skies]

Here's an excellent explanation of how our very complicated electricity market works for those like myself who didn't fully understand it. Lots of moving parts.

Plus some insights into the causes of the power blackout last week.
At the bare minimum there should have been some warning given to consumers, to my mind that was irresponsible, reckless.


https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126...rket-explained

[Blue Skies]

Which is interesting.
Should those who refuse to be vaccinated be given hospital treatment if they get covid?
Save the limited hospital beds for those who do the right thing.
You make your choice so bear the consequences (make your bed and lie in it).

That's a very good point esp with our free public health system. Would be great if they were billed for the consequences of their stupidity including those they infect.

I see on the news tonight in Missouri and Louisiana vaccination rates are only 37% and 35% with some churches actively undermining the vaccine roll out.
Unbelievable seeing a pastor saying his job was to preach trust in faith as opposed to trust in the vaccine when these guys have so much influence.
Mainly Trump-land of course.
Meanwhile hospital doctors saying they are overwhelmed with cases, people dying unnessesarily, and also cases now of a few people wearing disguises to get vaccinated as they are scared of disapproval & rejection from their congregations if recognised.


Also in Texas a surging number of children seriously sick with Covid.
Makes me think we are being far too complacent about vaccinating our children here.
I've always though NZ does not have a particularly child friendly culture, i.e. compared to some countries our kids aren't always as high a priority as they should be.

[jonu]

Which is interesting.
Should those who refuse to be vaccinated be given hospital treatment if they get covid?
Save the limited hospital beds for those who do the right thing.
You make your choice so bear the consequences (make your bed and lie in it).

And this is where it leads.
Seemingly decent people heading down the route of tyranny. Do you advocate the same for smokers? Or people who consume too much sugar? Shall we limit their movement? Perhaps put yellow triangles on their clothing so we can be sure of who THEY are.

It seems to me, most here are concerned on behalf of others. EG, they will be vaccinated but are concerned for those who aren't, or for the development of variants.

Firstly, variants are going to happen, more than likely from offshore and find their way here. Thinking we can stop them is akin to thinking reducing NZ's carbon emissions has any effect.

Secondly, be wary of people who want to curtail rights and freedoms out of a concern for others. It is seldom the case if history can teach us anything.