Labour govt 2020-23

[Balance]

This morning while channel surfing during breakfast, I noted that the PM stated on the AM Show that we've "smashed through peak delivery records, beating Canada, Australia, the UK, the USA.... No one has had a peak like ours, no one!" After the graph presented at the press briefing yesterday, this reminds me of Trump seeking out and touting favourable statistics that have little real relevence. Very disappointing.

She has hired a team of dozens of PR spinners amongst her ministries - their job is to come out with that kind of spin. Totally irrelevant to what she was asked - she did not even bother to reply but just opened her mouth snd out came the web of spin.

[Zaphod]

I posted this on the Coronavirus thread, but it is equally relevant here.

Here's an article about mandatory record keeping.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...ing-compulsory

It largely follows the normal government mouth piece formula, but it does contain this pearl.

"The tech giants only allow Governments access to Bluetooth tracking data from their devices if Governments do not make scanning mandatory. This is why the government talks of mandatory “record keeping” – not scanning in."


It would appear we are relying on tech giants to hold higher privacy and ethical standards than our governments.

Who'd a thunk?

While the government does appear to be playing games with semantics, do they government routinely or have any access to the data stored by the app without user permission? The app itself works on push notifications, meaning that if an infected individual is identified, their location and/or bluetooth tracking keys are uploaded for comparison by the app running on the device of other users. Until that occurs, theoretically no PII data is transmitted.

[winner69]

Funny as hearing PM and Hipkins with contradicting comments on how much vaccine we have and will be getting

Case of more one trys to explain the bigger the deeper the hole becomes

Only conclusion to come to is that we are going to run out in the next week or so and jabbing will have to be stopped (or seriously curtailed)

[Zaphod]

Funny as hearing PM and Hipkins with contradicting comments on how much vaccine we have and will be getting

Case of more one trys to explain the bigger the deeper the hole becomes

Only conclusion to come to is that we are going to run out in the next week or so and jabbing will have to be stopped (or seriously curtailed)

There was also a comment this morning from the PM about people preferring the Pfizer vaccine because we're familiar with it, and that's why they're concentrating on that specific vaccine. I can't remember the statement exactly.

It'll be interesting to see what deal they've actually inked (to quote Hipkins).

[dobby41]

I posted this on the Coronavirus thread, but it is equally relevant here.

Here's an article about mandatory record keeping.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...ing-compulsory

It largely follows the normal government mouth piece formula, but it does contain this pearl.

"The tech giants only allow Governments access to Bluetooth tracking data from their devices if Governments do not make scanning mandatory. This is why the government talks of mandatory “record keeping” – not scanning in."


It would appear we are relying on tech giants to hold higher privacy and ethical standards than our governments.

Who'd a thunk?

So I'll have to post the same reply
I think we can't make scanning and Bluetooth compulsory but we can make record keeping compulsory.
Those who don't want to scan have to record by another means.
Same level of privacy and ethics.

Did you know that Australia and Singapore use a centralised record system - they know where you have been if they wish to look, without your permission.
We keep the record on our phone and only share keys.
When there is a positive they ask the person to upload the data (they don't have to) and then they tell the phones, which then alert the user who can then ignore if they wish.

Which model has a higher privacy standard?

[dobby41]

This morning while channel surfing during breakfast, I noted that the PM stated on the AM Show that we've "smashed through peak delivery records, beating Canada, Australia, the UK, the USA.... No one has had a peak like ours, no one!" After the graph presented at the press briefing yesterday, this reminds me of Trump seeking out and touting favourable statistics that have little real relevence. Very disappointing.

That was in reply to Ryan suggesting we should have anticipated the surge in vaccination based on overseas experience.

[dobby41]

There was also a comment this morning from the PM about people preferring the Pfizer vaccine because we're familiar with it, and that's why they're concentrating on that specific vaccine. I can't remember the statement exactly.

It'll be interesting to see what deal they've actually inked (to quote Hipkins).

We had agreed to get 1.5mil doses and changed that early this year to 10mil when the decision was made to concentrate on just Pfizer.
Easier on logistics etc.
Note that Aussie was concentrating on Astra (since they could make it - are they making it?) and had to go and beg for some more Pfizer from the Poles because people aren't so keen on Astra.
We made the right choice!

[dobby41]

Funny as hearing PM and Hipkins with contradicting comments on how much vaccine we have and will be getting

Case of more one trys to explain the bigger the deeper the hole becomes

Only conclusion to come to is that we are going to run out in the next week or so and jabbing will have to be stopped (or seriously curtailed)

It does make you think that they should stop digging.

We had 840k doses and got another 300k on Sunday.
Even at 500k/week we won't run out for a few weeks (not next week). Assuming we are still going to get the weekly smaller orders?

[Zaphod]

That was in reply to Ryan suggesting we should have anticipated the surge in vaccination based on overseas experience.

The graph presented predates Ryan's question, and she also stated this on TV One breakfast although not as emphatically. Beating other countries, like it's a badge of honor, when we're at the bottom of the OECD tables isn't an achievement to be proud of.

[Zaphod]

We had agreed to get 1.5mil doses and changed that early this year to 10mil when the decision was made to concentrate on just Pfizer.
Easier on logistics etc.
Note that Aussie was concentrating on Astra (since they could make it - are they making it?) and had to go and beg for some more Pfizer from the Poles because people aren't so keen on Astra.
We made the right choice!

If vaccination rates had been quicker then Astra wouldn't have been an issue. The longer you provide the public with a chance to listen to anti vax propaganda, the more problems we have. Shouldn't we have learnt that from Australia?

With regards to Pfizer, logistics weren't mentioned initially, the point that was made repeatedly surrounded efficacy. But to infer the public prefer Pfizer because they're familiar it is disappointing. We still don't have a choice.

The strategy to concentrate on one vaccine, which could shortly be reversed, carries a number of issues from risk mitigation and logistical perspectives, especially when a switch was made so late in the game.