Labour govt 2020-23

[Bjauck]

Labour have been in power for years. Plenty of time to sort this out had they had the guts.
"KINDNESS BLINDNESS"

John Key was happy to ignore and sweep so many issues under the carpet for his lengthy term office. Why would reform in this area be any different?
"LAISSEZ-FAIRE; DON'T CARE"?

[dobby41]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...-minister-says

Terror attacked in Auckland mall.

Let’s be kind and allow back in more terrorists.

You shoot from the hip so often.
So it must have been National 'being kind' who let this dude in.
He was already an issue in 2016 under National.

But this isn't a political issue no matter how sick-minded, blinded, individuals might like to portray it.

Not that we have a better idea of the timeline and issues so much is clearer.

[winner69]

Easy peasy getting extra vaccine

Just make a few calls


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...04-p58ouo.html

[Bjauck]

Easy peasy getting extra vaccine

Just make a few calls


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...04-p58ouo.html

The benefit of having a friendly allied government’s ear? Brandis, The Australian High Commissioner in London, should get a New Year’s honour.

I see that Brandis studied at Magdalene College, Oxford. Brandis was.also a senior politician in the right wing Liberal Party. Right wing Boris Johnson also studied at Oxford. Old boy type of familiarity at play?

I have tried unsuccessfully to see what links the current NZ High Commissioner - Bede Corey - had with the UK prior to his recent appointment.

[iceman]

The government had been trying to remove this person from being a threat. However it is bound by the due process of law. It is the shonky legislation and process that is at fault. It seems that the supposed threat to a deportee in their country of origin has somehow become more of an overriding concern that the threat they pose to people in NZ.

In 2011 this person entered NZ on a study visa. In 2013 they got refugee status despite Immigration NZ opposition. In 2016 the terrorist and their fraud came to the attention of the police and NZSIS. This all occurred under John Key's government.

"Bound by the due process of law", this is a Government that is driving all sorts of ideological law changes through parliament under urgency. I don't buy the BS that they couldn't have done it and neither does the writer of the below epistle that in my view provides food for thought:

"Chronicles of Clive - Ardern Fails Once Again

Today Ardern announced to New Zealanders that the Crown and the Police did everything they could to lock the New Lynn Countdown Isis terrorist up but the law prevented this.
She then went on to say that the High Court refused to convict and imprison him on planning a terrorist attack. What she didn’t say however was that the High Court Judge who made that decision was so concerned that the law was inadequate (because planning a terrorist attack was not an offence in New Zealand and wouldn’t allow him to imprison this man) that in a rare move he requested High Court staff to send his judgment to the Attorney General, the Solicitor General and the Law Commission with this advice.
That was in July 2020.

The Judge went so far as to specifically warn government that the lack of adequate legislation meant that there was a serious threat to public safety from “lone wolf” attacks particularly since the Christchurch terror attack. He said parliament needed to create the offence as the courts did not have the power to do this. And what is so sadly ironic is that his specific warning to government which related to a specific defendant before him was exactly what this same man did.
The warning was given to government over 13 months ago and yet as we are now getting so used to, this Ardern led government is just too slow at doing anything unless it suits their specific political agenda.

Yes they will make excuse after excuse about how long it takes to get legislation drafted and into law but in this case those excuses are total rubbish. This is a simple addition to current law that could have been made in a month and moved into law under urgency. Proof of this is the fact it took them less than a month to change the Firearms laws after the Christchurch terror attack. Australia and the UK already have this “planning a terrorist act”legislation and New Zealand could simply have adopted their wording.

Labour had the numbers to do it alone even though there would be no objection from National and Act for tougher terrorist laws. Further Ardern’s latest excuse that this legislation could not be exercised retrospectively is also irrelevant as the Police and SIS’s belief that this man was planning a terrorist action had not gone away and they would have been perfectly able to lay new charges if the law was in place. Instead, because the government was so slow at getting the law changed, Police had some 30 officers involved in surveillance on him. This is absolutely absurd they had to do this because the required law change had not been made. Having 30 Police involved in watching this man 24/7 meant they totally believed he was planning a terrorist act.

Make your own judgment. It is very clear to me."

[Joshuatree]

Slice and dice all want bud,keep on spinning,keep judging,keep looking for blame.Pretty offensive .This is far from simple and the right decisions will be made .Planning a terror attack is not an offense ,neither is hate speech yet.Legislative changes under consideration with submissions from the public have been slowed by something called covid of which this country is the envy of the world.Look for the good in things and you will find the good in yourself.

[artemis]

Slice and dice all want bud,keep on spinning,keep judging,keep looking for blame.Pretty offensive .This is far from simple and the right decisions will be made .Planning a terror attack is not an offense ,neither is hate speech yet.Legislative changes under consideration with submissions from the public have been slowed by something called covid of which this country is the envy of the world.Look for the good in things and you will find the good in yourself.

Spinning by citizen 'bud' is one thing. Spinning by the lawmakers and leaders of New Zealand is quite another. In each case a judgement can be made as to what is spin or not, but my sense is there is a growing disquiet that our leaders are indeed spinning, or worse.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Slice and dice all want bud,keep on spinning,keep judging,keep looking for blame.Pretty offensive .This is far from simple and the right decisions will be made .Planning a terror attack is not an offense ,neither is hate speech yet.Legislative changes under consideration with submissions from the public have been slowed by something called covid of which this country is the envy of the world.Look for the good in things and you will find the good in yourself.

Planning a terror attack is not an offense

That's totally ducked up, isn't it. BTW, there is a world of difference between planning a terrorist attack (likely to be a massacre) & 'hate speech'. One involves harm or loss of life to humans, the other is highly subjective.

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Why was he not stopped from getting on a plane to Samoa, but was stopped from getting on a plane to Syria? No rhyme nor reason....

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By stopping this man from going to Syria, our authorities made it a virtual certainty that this man would take out his muderous intentions on NZ citizens.

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After seeing Grant Robertson be totally dismissive of questions regarding the terrorists mothers assertions that this man was radicalised by Syrian and Iraqi neighbours, and having seem the authorities failure to keep NZers safe from another terrorist - one who was identified years ago - I have absolutely no faith at all that the authorities will keep us safe from further terror attacks. The only thing they are capable of doing - and it is par for the course with this government - is reacting after somthing terrible happens. If a Syrian or Iraqi radical commits an atrocity, I am sure Robertson or Ardern will say "we are acting swiftly to ensure this never, ever happens again" but as usual it will be too late.

[dobby41]

Planning a terror attack is not an offense

That's totally ducked up, isn't it. BTW, there is a world of difference between planning a terrorist attack (likely to be a massacre) & 'hate speech'. One involves harm or loss of life to humans, the other is highly subjective.

Will be an offense when the law is changed this month - set in motion earlier this year.
Select committee asked to speed things up before this attack.

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Why was he not stopped from getting on a plane to Samoa, but was stopped from getting on a plane to Syria? No rhyme nor reason....

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By stopping this man from going to Syria, our authorities made it a virtual certainty that this man would take out his muderous intentions on NZ citizens.

Going on holiday to Samoa is different from going to Syria to fight with ISIS.
There was a lot of debate at the time over this sort of thing and this view was part of the debate.
Personally, I think they should have let him go then not let him back if he wasn't killed over there.

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After seeing Grant Robertson be totally dismissive of questions regarding the terrorists mothers assertions that this man was radicalised by Syrian and Iraqi neighbours, and having seem the authorities failure to keep NZers safe from another terrorist - one who was identified years ago - I have absolutely no faith at all that the authorities will keep us safe from further terror attacks. The only thing they are capable of doing - and it is par for the course with this government - is reacting after somthing terrible happens. If a Syrian or Iraqi radical commits an atrocity, I am sure Robertson or Ardern will say "we are acting swiftly to ensure this never, ever happens again" but as usual it will be too late.

He said he had no evidence - other than what the mother said.
You may want a kneejerk reation to this but be careful what you ask for.

[iceman]

Will be an offense when the law is changed this month - set in motion earlier this year.
Select committee asked to speed things up before this attack.

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Going on holiday to Samoa is different from going to Syria to fight with ISIS.
There was a lot of debate at the time over this sort of thing and this view was part of the debate.
Personally, I think they should have let him go then not let him back if he wasn't killed over there.

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He said he had no evidence - other than what the mother said.
You may want a kneejerk reation to this but be careful what you ask for.

Once again this Government just lies to us and make it up on the go. Has anyone actually asked why this idiot even had a "refugee" status while the rest of his family seems to be living a normal life in Sri Lanka. Or are we not allowed to ask such questions ? By all accounts it appears his family expected something like this to happen and so did our authorities.

You ignore the fact that the Judge that dealt with his case was so concerned that he sent his judgement to the AG and Solicitor General to make them aware of his concerns and the urgency required.