Labour govt 2020-23

[Logen Ninefingers]

Yip, I heard that interview and a subsequent one.
So the example - ScoMo wanted more vaccine because they hadn't purchased enough!
They intended to rely more on Astra but for a number of reasons (CSL not producing enough? Public hesitancy?) they needed more Pfizer than they had ordered.
We ordered 10mil doses - more than enough for the population. Are you suggesting that we didn't order those?
Timing was the issue.

So back to the question from Ryan with his example - do we need to order more like Australia because we didn't order enough?
Ardern answered that we had ordered enough for the entire population and that is true still.

The issue, as I see it, isn't that we didn't order enough but that the timing was wrong.
The Govt got caught out by the vaccination surge past their plan.
They developed a plan of jabs/week/month and allowed that to be exceeded to the point that we could have run out.
They then got enough supplies to forestall that.

So the example - ScoMo wanted more vaccine because they hadn't purchased enough!

So if we had purchased 'enough', why are we scrambling to buy more? Ardern answered the question by saying that we didn't need more vaccine, why are we now scrambling to get extra vaccine!?!

Logic is not your strong point dobby. Are you really going to start using a term like 'enough' here, as in Australia didn't have 'enough', but we apparently do have 'enough' (but are scarmbling to get more).

[Balance]

Look at Australia's plan - out the window.
Lucky we didn't follow them as you wanted.

Again, you are confusing Australia with just NSW & Victoria.

Bring out the map of Australia and be enlightened.

[Logen Ninefingers]

Yip, I heard that interview and a subsequent one.
So the example - ScoMo wanted more vaccine because they hadn't purchased enough!
They intended to rely more on Astra but for a number of reasons (CSL not producing enough? Public hesitancy?) they needed more Pfizer than they had ordered.
We ordered 10mil doses - more than enough for the population. Are you suggesting that we didn't order those?
Timing was the issue.

So back to the question from Ryan with his example - do we need to order more like Australia because we didn't order enough?
Ardern answered that we had ordered enough for the entire population and that is true still.

The issue, as I see it, isn't that we didn't order enough but that the timing was wrong.
The Govt got caught out by the vaccination surge past their plan.
They developed a plan of jabs/week/month and allowed that to be exceeded to the point that we could have run out.
They then got enough supplies to forestall that.

The Govt got caught out by the vaccination surge past their plan.

Why on earth would we expect our government to have considered a surge in vaccinations as part of their evolving 'plan'?

Yes, the government got caught out. They will keep getting caught out. And we still have no targets and so not idea where the 'finishing' line is in terms of what percentage of the population we will need to get vaccinated in order to alter our strategy. When people are lost in a fog with no idea of a way out, they start to break down mentally. This government - with its fear of targets that they can be held to account over - is 'leading' us into a thick fog, a fog which is creating a mental health catastrophe.

[iceman]

Yip, I heard that interview and a subsequent one.
So the example - ScoMo wanted more vaccine because they hadn't purchased enough!
They intended to rely more on Astra but for a number of reasons (CSL not producing enough? Public hesitancy?) they needed more Pfizer than they had ordered.
We ordered 10mil doses - more than enough for the population. Are you suggesting that we didn't order those?
Timing was the issue.

So back to the question from Ryan with his example - do we need to order more like Australia because we didn't order enough?
Ardern answered that we had ordered enough for the entire population and that is true still.

The issue, as I see it, isn't that we didn't order enough but that the timing was wrong.
The Govt got caught out by the vaccination surge past their plan.
They developed a plan of jabs/week/month and allowed that to be exceeded to the point that we could have run out.
They then got enough supplies to forestall that.

Like the Government you are just playing with words. The fact is that when vaccination rates belatedly picked up in NZ, the Government was caught off guard once again with a very limited amount of vaccines in the country, so they desperately needed to do deals with Spain & Denmark to help with supply. But of course the duplicitous PM won't tell us how much we had to pay for those deliveries.

[artemis]

Like the Government you are just playing with words. The fact is that when vaccination rates belatedly picked up in NZ, the Government was caught off guard once again with a very limited amount of vaccines in the country, so they desperately needed to do deals with Spain & Denmark to help with supply. But of course the duplicitous PM won't tell us how much we had to pay for those deliveries.

Think I read somewhere that some countries had vaccine supplies that probably could not be used before their expiry date. Surely they would jump at the chance to onsell.

[Balance]

Think I read somewhere that some countries had vaccine supplies that probably could not be used before their expiry date. Surely they would jump at the chance to onsell.

Hence, the swap deals between Australia and UK & Singapore.

Not so NZ though - looks like Cindy is paying through her lying teeth for the additional vaccines from Spain & Denmark.

[BDL]

http://www.newsroom.co.nz/is-the-foc...nderella-story

Interesting summary of this Labour government so far ....

[Balance]

http://www.newsroom.co.nz/is-the-foc...nderella-story

Interesting summary of this Labour government so far ....

Excellent & bang on summary indeed :

Looking back, the Wellbeing Budgets have never been anything other than a successful public relations exercise.

Sadly, they all fall short of effectively supporting important areas like education (from kindergarten to universities), health, research, housing, and infrastructure and they abandon fostering economic growth.

There is nothing left from the initial worldwide hype around the Wellbeing Budgets. The Ardern-led governments have wasted the chances they had to make New Zealand stronger in the future and missed their election and budget targets.

It would be much better if the Government would stop looking beyond GDP and instead look at developing a proper economic growth strategy. After all, jobs earning decent wages are the foundation of wellbeing.

[Baa_Baa]

www.newsroom.co.nz/is-the-focus-on-wellbeing-a-cinderella-story

Interesting summary of this Labour government so far ....

https://www.nzcpr.com/the-turning-ti...ublic-opinion/

All the usual failures recounted, however about halfway through the article it moves onto this, well worth a read to the end:

"However, it’s Jacinda Ardern’s failure to rein in her powerful Maori Caucus, that is arguably causing the greatest damage – and is undoubtedly a key reason that Kiwis are deserting the party."

[Logen Ninefingers]

https://www.nzcpr.com/the-turning-ti...ublic-opinion/

All the usual failures recounted, however about halfway through the article it moves onto this, well worth a read to the end:

"However, it’s Jacinda Ardern’s failure to rein in her powerful Maori Caucus, that is arguably causing the greatest damage – and is undoubtedly a key reason that Kiwis are deserting the party."

Ardern will one day be viewed as a traitor to the interests of the vast majority of NEW ZEALAND's citizens.