Labour govt 2020-23

[dobby41]

See no evil, hear no evil. What a lovely time you must have in Wonderland. Nothing grown up to think about, just accepting whatever your Great Leader does as being honourable, without a hint of cynicism.

Did you not see the question mark?
Did you assume that it was a statement?
Learn to read and not just spit out words.

That the money is a bribe is conjecture on your part - it is not a fact no matter how many times you say it is.
If it was a bribe then it wasn't set up well - far to many negative articles and opinions in the MSM.
Maybe they failed in the bribe department also?

[jonu]

Did you not see the question mark?
Did you assume that it was a statement?
Learn to read and not just spit out words.

That the money is a bribe is conjecture on your part - it is not a fact no matter how many times you say it is.
If it was a bribe then it wasn't set up well - far to many negative articles and opinions in the MSM.
Maybe they failed in the bribe department also?

For the bribe to be successful it only needed to sway voting numbers a few points which is easily done by not asking tough questions, or giving glowing reviews of government performance, or idolising the Dear Leader, all of which occurred.

As for failing....long term it will always come back and bite them. When the money stops, or the heat comes on the recipient, the dynamic will change. How can Ardern complain? She can hardly come out and say "Oi, you aren't honouring the bribe!"

[artemis]

Did you not see the question mark?
Did you assume that it was a statement?
Learn to read and not just spit out words.

That the money is a bribe is conjecture on your part - it is not a fact no matter how many times you say it is.
If it was a bribe then it wasn't set up well - far to many negative articles and opinions in the MSM.
Maybe they failed in the bribe department also?

I think the current government usually means well but is prone to making decisions because they fit the ideology. It is what governments do, but if the delivery goes off the rails then governments have to wear the consequences. Eventually. In summary, I am saying the government is more incompetent than malicious.

[jonu]

In summary, I am saying the government is more incompetent than malicious.

Agreed. Although that is reason enough not to tolerate having them strip you of your Civil Liberties with a Domestic Passport. Something you can guarantee we will never get rid of....and the authoritarian creep will continue....one incompetent government after another.

Why aren't people more demanding of their government to boost the Health system rather than take the easy route and strip us of our Civil Liberties? I'll tell you why....18 months of propaganda driven fear.

[dobby41]

Agreed. Although that is reason enough not to tolerate having them strip you of your Civil Liberties with a Domestic Passport. Something you can guarantee we will never get rid of....and the authoritarian creep will continue....one incompetent government after another.

Why aren't people more demanding of their government to boost the Health system rather than take the easy route and strip us of our Civil Liberties? I'll tell you why....18 months of propaganda driven fear.

Sir John is very keen on removing our civil liberties - ban unvaccinated from pubs etc. Compulsory vaccination in the workplace.
The current Govt may think that and not say it (they may or may not) but Sir JK has said it.
Is he speaking for the National Party?

[jonu]

Sir John is very keen on removing our civil liberties - ban unvaccinated from pubs etc. Compulsory vaccination in the workplace.
The current Govt may think that and not say it (they may or may not) but Sir JK has said it.
Is he speaking for the National Party?

I saw in his opinion piece from today (see link below) that he recommends only vaccinated to be able to enter licensed premises, (which I don't agree with) other than that he is saying the opposite. Stop with the fear mongering and stripping of Civil Liberties.
I don't know if he is speaking for the Nats. I see he did name check Seymour. He actually speaks against mandatory vaccination.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...DOOHWLKFBVK74/

I saw more common sense in that article than I have seen from Ardern in 18 months of lolly throwing, media bribery and general fear mongering. He even mentions boosting the Health system to cope! Who'd a thunk? Not Ardern that's for sure.

For the record....I've never thought much of John Key.

[dobby41]

I saw in his opinion piece from today (see link below) that he recommends only vaccinated to be able to enter licensed premises, (which I don't agree with) other than that he is saying the opposite. Stop with the fear mongering and stripping of Civil Liberties.
I don't know if he is speaking for the Nats. I see he did name check Seymour. He actually speaks against mandatory vaccination.

Or this where he supports mandatory Covid vaccination in workplaces
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6274245948001

[jonu]

Or this where he supports mandatory Covid vaccination in workplaces
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6274245948001

He does in a mealy mouth politician kind of way, without addressing the issue of what happens to those who still refuse or can't. Do they become an unemployable caste?

[dobby41]

He does in a mealy mouth politician kind of way, without addressing the issue of what happens to those who still refuse or can't. Do they become an unemployable caste?

He has the benefit of being able to have an opinion without consequence or accountability.

[Balance]

He has the benefit of being able to have an opinion without consequence or accountability.

He has his reputation which is important to him.

Based on your assertion, no one should ever challenge or question the incumbent government? Or is it just Cindy’s?