Labour govt 2020-23

[Balance]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...Z3D3OHCFMIPLQ/

Delta now in Bay of Plenty. At this rate, it will be in Wellington soon.

COVID by Christmas for South Island as stated by Clueless Cindy & her team of incompetents?

[iceman]

Gang members helping give out vaccines on TV1 tonight.
Trouble is their day job is killing people with their drug pushing and violence. Not to mention spreading the virus around NZ!
Great role models, but Jacinda keeps defending them.
Racist, stupid government, being used by a bunch of criminals.

Yes that made me sick. Seeing the biggest criminal in NZ, the idiot in charge of Black Power, being rolled out as a "role model" on TV1 tonight. Utterly pathetic.

[Blue Skies]

Yes that made me sick. Seeing the biggest criminal in NZ, the idiot in charge of Black Power, being rolled out as a "role model" on TV1 tonight. Utterly pathetic.

If you project forward, imagine the alternative.
Think all of us would prefer not to see too many sick unvaccinated gang members filling the hospital wards & quarantine hotels, in case we end up there ourselves.

One hurdle at a time.

[iceman]

If you project forward, imagine the alternative.
Think all of us would prefer not to see too many sick unvaccinated gang members filling the hospital wards & quarantine hotels, in case we end up there ourselves.

One hurdle at a time.

Yes lets justify this incredible situation we are finding ourselves in when Government and media is glorifying gang leaders and putting them up on a pedestal, while at the same time a large number of the COVID transmissions across the so called internal borders are doing so through gang related illegal activity. Project forward all you like but take into your projections what happens when gangs and criminals get preferential treatment and are not punished for their law breaking. What sort of society are we going to end up with ?

[artemis]

Doctors and nurses fine...

Though we need to get our productivity up, which involves making employers consider new things rather than "more bodies".

Suggest that councils (funded by ratepayers and not in any danger of going bankrupt) need to have more than a glance at their productivity. Because "Hundreds of builders are calling on the construction minister to reduce long delays for building consents, saying the bottleneck hurts productivity and threatens to destabilise companies".

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...l-construction

[fungus pudding]

I don't think the Europeans were in the habit of chucking their captives into the cooking pot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lltk...ltk5zUgXZY&t=6

Just reflecting on that song and the changing times. It was released in the mid 60s and acheived moderate success, when Rod Derrett was riding high with several spoof/comic type songs.
Generally it was accepted until almost 40 years later, 2004, someone decided to be offended and complained to the broadcasting authority.
The authority reviewed it and deemed it a novelty song, acceptable for radio play.
Would they make the same decision now - 17 years on?? There's something to ponder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lltk...ltk5zUgXZY&t=6

Another song, initially a hit was Howard Morrison's take on Ahab the Arab. Morrison came up with Mori - the Hori.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO3lcUK029s

Several years later it was re-recorded as 'Howie - the Mowie'.

Feel free to be offended.

[Bjauck]

Yes that made me sick. Seeing the biggest criminal in NZ, the idiot in charge of Black Power, being rolled out as a "role model" on TV1 tonight. Utterly pathetic.

It is very sad to see gang presence sanctioned in such a way. It accepts their growing influence, supplanting traditional legitimate iwi? Is NZ becoming riddled with gangs as certain parts of the USA were by the Mafia in the 1930's. Accepting these Godfathers is terrible.

A Mongrel Mob boss was given an exemption to cross the Auckland border for “no other reason” than to push his people to get tested and vaccinated, a gang spokesperson says

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...alth-officials

[Bjauck]

I don't think the Europeans were in the habit of chucking their captives into the cooking pot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lltk...ltk5zUgXZY&t=6

That would have been too mild? Europeans used burning slowly at the stake, the rack, the Iron Maiden (not the musicians!) and let's not forget the depraved hanging, drawing and quartering amongst other disgusting treatments of their prisoners. Now let us discuss who was civilised?

[BlackPeter]

NZ has plenty of natural resources, and highly fertile land which allows for the building of more advanced societies.
Sadly this didn't seem to happen when maori were here.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion about human development and why the Eurasian cultures prevailed I recommend to read Jared Diamond's "Guns, germs and steel". A great book written by a history expert ... and it puts any racial theories where they belong.

https://www.litcharts.com/lit/guns-g...-steel/summary

[Getty]

LOL - so you mean the Maoris behaved exactly the same way as the Europeans did? Most of the tick boxes you gave describe exactly the European behaviour in the past 2000 years (and probably before, just less well documented) - and certainly prior to the middle of the 19th century.

Waging wars? YES - several big ones per century!
Holding slaves - YES! the British, The Spanish, The Portuguese, The Belgians and probably some other European Nations made lots of money with turning free people into slaves and selling them or forcing them to work for them.
Suppressing women - YES ... Europeans loved to do that. Some might say, some still do!
Bullying - YES - quite generic human trait!
Low Life Expectancy (prior to and around 1840) - YES - just look at child mortality in Europe prior to the introduction of vaccinations!

Obviously - Europeans had the bigger numbers, the more effective weapons and as well enough resistance to a lot of dangerous illnesses which they liberally spread under the Maoris in order to weaken and eradicate them - as they did previously with the red Indians in the Americas and other indigenous people.

You might well be right ... Europeans not a bit better than the Maoris - just more vicious ;

I asked who would advocate for such a pre European society, so thanks for nominating yourself.

Thanks for completely side stepping my other points and list of benefits that colonisation introduced to NZ.

If I roll over and die on my points you have questioned, because I dont want to be typing here all day, the consensus between us is still that colonistion was a nett benefit to Maori, not the negative some portray.

Good on ya mate.

Where do you see race relations in NZ in 100 years from now?