Labour govt 2020-23

[Panda-NZ-]

Though.. three water reforms wasn't and that is a significant flaw with this govt so far I think.

[Balance]

This is the inevitable result when there is a pro-criminal race based government under Clueless Cindy :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-m...I7CWWW6Y6UAPA/

NZ is becoming a gang paradise - with plenty of encouragement from this government.

[Balance]

This is the inevitable result when there is a pro-criminal race based government under Clueless Cindy :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-m...I7CWWW6Y6UAPA/

NZ is becoming a gang paradise - with plenty of encouragement from this government.

And the fertile gang environment under Clueless Cindy feeds through not only to crime but to the seriousness of the delta outbreak :

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/long-read...delta-response

The Ministry of Health's Director of Pacific Health, Gerardine Clifford-Lidstone, told a September 28 select committee hearing that the virus "seems to have seated itself in a gang environment and the homeless". These communities "are less likely to be trusting of the health system," Clifford-Lidstone said.

Just eight cases of Covid-19 were reported in the community that day. Clifford-Lidstone's comments were interesting, but seized on more for the purpose of gang-bashing than for solving the public health crisis.

In reality, they should have been a massive red flag that something was wrong. The daily case count at that stage still reflected people infected under Level 4 conditions. But if the cases that were coming through were in transitional housing and gangs, that might have flagged more widespread, undetected transmission.

[Blue Skies]

This is the inevitable result when there is a pro-criminal race based government under Clueless Cindy :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gang-m...I7CWWW6Y6UAPA/

NZ is becoming a gang paradise - with plenty of encouragement from this government.

Well over 2,000 people with criminal convictions, gang members, people with raging drug addiction etc, have been deported to NZ due to Scott Morrison & Peter Dutton's populist application of section 501 of the Australian Migration Act.
Many arrive here with nothing more than a few hundred dollars, a suitcase & a criminal conviction.
With no connections to NZ & prospects, little wonder those who were members of gangs in Australia, gravitate to gangs here.

I blame Australia for increasing gang members and violence here.
It is well known, Australian gangs are much more violent than NZ gangs.

[Balance]

Well over 2,000 people with criminal convictions, gang members, people with raging drug addiction etc, have been deported to NZ due to Scott Morrison & Peter Dutton's populist application of section 501 of the Australian Migration Act.
Many arrive here with nothing more than a few hundred dollars, a suitcase & a criminal conviction.
With no connections to NZ & prospects, little wonder those who were members of gangs in Australia, gravitate to gangs here.

I blame Australia for increasing gang members and violence here.
It is well known, Australian gangs are much more violent than NZ gangs.

That's one contributing factor but the greater factor is this pro-criminal & gang government, taking away every deterrent and encouraging gang behavior with its various policies - soft on crime, soft on imprisonment, legitimizing gangs by associating with them and funding them to become more effective gangsters.

[BlackPeter]

That's one contributing factor but the greater factor is this pro-criminal & gang government, taking away every deterrent and encouraging gang behavior with its various policies - soft on crime, soft on imprisonment, legitimizing gangs by associating with them and funding them to become more effective gangsters.

You are right - the latest news about shootouts and gang violence in NZ are not good.

On the other hand - there is no evidence that the remedies you are proposing do help to stem this problem. US is the western country with the highest homicide rate and this despite (or maybe because) of their tough policing (shoot first and ask later) and highest imprisonment rates in the western world.

Gang violence is one of these complex problems which one can't solve applying simple solutions ...

[iceman]

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The honesty continues from the pulpit of truth

[Balance]

You are right - the latest news about shootouts and gang violence in NZ are not good.

On the other hand - there is no evidence that the remedies you are proposing do help to stem this problem. US is the western country with the highest homicide rate and this despite (or maybe because) of their tough policing (shoot first and ask later) and highest imprisonment rates in the western world.

Gang violence is one of these complex problems which one can't solve applying simple solutions ...

A good start will be for the government to support the police rather than the gangs.

[Balance]

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The honesty continues from the pulpit of truth

Disgusting human beings - hypocrites of the highest order.

[BlackPeter]

A good start will be for the government to support the police rather than the gangs.

Well, yes - ever compared the police budget (more than $2 billion dollars in 2019/20) with the gang support budget (was it a million - which would be 0.05% of above)?

So - you are saying this government supports the gangs instead of the police, do you?

So easy to spout one liners which might sound flash but are absolutely non-sensical, isn't it?

The other thing is - while there are obviously a lot of criminal elements in these gangs, it does not mean that all gangs are criminal connections. Talking and working together with some of them might well be a more intelligent (and efficient) solution than consistently playing whack a mole applying more and more police force without achieving anything.

The law and order mob rarely achieves positive outcomes ...