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    Quote Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers View Post
    Winnie sold us this country down the river in 2017.
    Absolutely. I am the first to admit that. Nevertheless we do have a major problem that National/Act are incapable of fixing.

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    If Act raised the idea of going with labour they could actually get more from National than some tiny achievements.

    inAct = as ineffective as the greens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    If Act raised the idea of going with labour they could actually get more from National than some tiny achievements.

    inAct = as ineffective as the greens.
    If the Greens were sensible and went back to being an environmental party as originally planned for it, they could wield significant power if open to working with Labour or National. Instead they place themselves far left and focus on social issues and have absolutely zero power or influence.

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    Minimum wage going to $21.50

    But did Woods have to come out and say such things to make the 'poorly' paid feel important

    “With the arrival of Omicron, we are once again calling on many of our frontline workers – such as cleaners, supermarket workers, and security guards – to keep the country running as the virus spreads and cases begin to increase. I think everyone agrees those contributing so much to our Covid response deserve a pay rise.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300...o-rise-to-2120
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    If the Greens were sensible and went back to being an environmental party as originally planned for it, they could wield significant power if open to working with Labour or National. Instead they place themselves far left and focus on social issues and have absolutely zero power or influence.
    So true. Where is the environment focused party of today?

    It is probably more important today than ever, as none of the other main parties appear to be doing anything about the biggest threat to our world, for all life on the planet. I would have thought there would be votes to be had here.

    The greens have gone full on Maori separatism and socialism.

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    *$21.20/hr

    Some rather weak stuff when unemployment is 3%.

    Quote Originally Posted by iceman View Post
    If the Greens were sensible and went back to being an environmental party as originally planned for it, they could wield significant power if open to working with Labour or National. Instead they place themselves far left and focus on social issues and have absolutely zero power or influence.
    They probably don't want the open slather oil and gas drilling with the revenue/profit going offshore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Minimum wage going to $21.50

    But did Woods have to come out and say such things to make the 'poorly' paid feel important

    “With the arrival of Omicron, we are once again calling on many of our frontline workers – such as cleaners, supermarket workers, and security guards – to keep the country running as the virus spreads and cases begin to increase. I think everyone agrees those contributing so much to our Covid response deserve a pay rise.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300...o-rise-to-2120
    Labour starts the fight against inflation....by fundamentally not understanding inflation....

    Wood said the increase would have a stimulatory effect on the economy because workers would spend the money on buying things, which would help support businesses.

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    We're at risk of becoming like America if we don't start seeing real terms increases:

    https://www.epi.org/publication/labo...-minimum-wage/

    Their wage hasn't increased in real terms since 1970...
    Last edited by Panda-NZ-; 11-02-2022 at 12:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers View Post
    Labour starts the fight against inflation....by fundamentally not understanding inflation....

    Wood said the increase would have a stimulatory effect on the economy because workers would spend the money on buying things, which would help support businesses.
    Apparently it will move quite a few workers up to the 30% tax bracket
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Apparently it will move quite a few workers up to the 30% tax bracket
    Which of course will lift all pay scales moving more into the 33 and 39% brackets.

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