Labour govt 2020-23

[BDL]

I think we all have to be careful using the terms "multiple lenses" in regards to China. I agree, there are many different aspects in play.

Sometimes things ARE just "black & white". Like China's stand on Ukraine. They need to be called out properly. Putin is a threat to the world order as we know it. (there are also other numerous issues with the way China behaves)

There are times when seeing things through multiple lenses, can look, and be like, "sitting on the fence"

A good leader knows when that time is.....

[Balance]

Sounds like a discussion between grown-ups to me as they explore what co-management and co-governance for Maori means.
Co-governance and co-management arrangements beyond those already introduced through Treaty settlements, were a response to the need to meet Māori ambitions, and address Māori inequality.
As Willie Jackson said it’s about the invisibility that Māori have at council level.

Your comments don’t sound very grown-up. They sound like a broken record to me: “incompetent government, divisive & racist policies.”

Don’t fall for this Ardern/Maori cabal ruse of playing ‘good cop, bad cop’ to lure NZers into believing that this government can be trusted to not push through with its divisive & racist co-governance He Pua Pua policies :

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political...e-jackson-says

It’s the usual spin and devious deflection by this totally untrustworthy government.

They are playing NZers for suckers.

Only the indoctrinated brain washed and aspiring to be bottom dwellers will believe the whole Rotorua deMaoriCrazy saga is not pre-planned in the beehive.

“Most transparent & accountable government ever” - Ardern

[Panda-NZ-]

Don’t fall for this Ardern/Maori cabal ruse of playing ‘good cop, bad cop’ to lure NZers into believing that this government can be trusted to not push through with its divisive & racist co-governance He Pua Pua policies :

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political...e-jackson-says

It’s the usual spin and devious deflection by this totally untrustworthy government.

They are playing NZers for suckers.

Only the indoctrinated brain washed and aspiring to be bottom dwellers will believe the whole Rotorua deMaoriCrazy saga is not pre-planned in the beehive.

“Most transparent & accountable government ever” - Ardern

What about whanau ora and separate maori charter schools.

You will get these sort of policies under any govt.

[Panda-NZ-]

Act couldn't stop it either, only a crucial swing vote can like NZ first.

[Balance]

Result of Ardern’s pro-criminal & gang policies - ram raids and shootings :

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/eight-...RURL5MW3DSAFY/

Notice the government’s deafening silence of the crimes? Poto Williams has been told to not say anything as she is only interested in looking after the interests of the criminals.

[dobby41]

You forgot to add ‘The Great Leap Forward’ & Tiananmen Square massacre - anywhere between 20m to 50m people were estimated to have perished from the famine & killings. What have those deaths got to do with Western powers forcing drugs on the Chinese and treating the Chinese as inferior people in their own land?

Surely you can sympathise that any people so subjected to addiction & humiliation will look after their self interest when they are able to and view their bullies with suspicion and retribution when the right time comes along?

You didn't answer a simple question but I expected that.

PS - I didn't forget to add anything.
I was in China just prior to the Tiananmen Square massacre - a much more interesting country then than now, on the cusp of the big changes that have happened since.

[dobby41]

Meanwhile, Ardern & Labour are back-pedalling like crazy over co-governance after internal polling shows NZers sick to their back teeth with the divisive & racist policies of this incompetent government :

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...lectoral-rules

You may not have noticed that this isn't a Govt bill - it is a local council bill.
It has now passed its 1st reading and will go to committee where the Attorney General's report will be considered.
The Govt has flagged that there are some serious issues to be considered - this isn't back-pedalling at all, using the correct process.
It would be quite undemocratic for the Govt to ignore the wish of the council and ignore the bill completely.

[dobby41]

Yes, a good perspective that is also in tune with Ardern’s perspective on China. She does not have a black-and-white view of China and sees the country through multiple lenses and angles as well.

Black and white views tend to come from Ideology and closed minds.
There are shades of grey everywhere.

[Balance]

You may not have noticed that this isn't a Govt bill - it is a local council bill.
It has now passed its 1st reading and will go to committee where the Attorney General's report will be considered.
The Govt has flagged that there are some serious issues to be considered - this isn't back-pedalling at all, using the correct process.
It would be quite undemocratic for the Govt to ignore the wish of the council and ignore the bill completely.

You seriously think that Coffey would be able to get the bill as far as he has without being a Maori government MP & without the Maori cabal involvement?

Like I wrote, don’t fall for this ruse of Ardern & the Maori cabal to pull the wool over NZers’ eyes.

[couta1]

Black and white views tend to come from Ideology and closed minds.
There are shades of grey everywhere.

Yet Ardern follows the ideology of the WEF fervently and thats dangerous.