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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Voters need only ask one question at the election before casting their previous votes :

    ‘Is NZ a better country after 6 years under Labour?’

    OR a more rational question would be, would NZ have been a better country under National govt?
    And the answer is definitely no.

    There's as many as 80,000 people alive today, who would have died if National had led the response to the Covid pandemic.
    Many of us going through chemotherapy in 2020 thought there was no way we would survive as we watched mass graves being dug in New York, Italy & Spain, & the thousands dying in the UK.
    The oncologists didn't know what to do.
    They said it was too dangerous to continue with chemo which will wreck your immune system meaning you won't survive Covid, but we can't let your cancer continue to spread.
    It was a Sophies choice!
    They had never experienced a global pandemic sweeping the planet like this.

    Then Jacinda led an elimination policy & NZ literally became the safest place on the planet.
    It was like a miracle for us & meant we could continue with chemo, radiotherapy & many other treatments, operations which had been postponed could suddenly go ahead & hospitals were not overwhelmed as in other countries.
    Apart from cancer patients there are so many others with compromised immune systems, up to 25% of the population, organ transplant patients on immunosuppressive drugs, people with M.S, diabetes, Stem cell transplant patients, & many others living & working in our communities.

    I remember early on a lovely girl of about 20 busily doing her uni assignment towards her degree next to me in the ward as we got our bags of IV chemo dripping through a line into a vein in our arms.
    It seemed so unfair on young people like her, with her whole life ahead of her, National & ACT were saying we have to open the borders & just learn to live with Covid!
    How ridiculous, as if that was a possibility for any of us, we had no chance & would have just been collateral damage.

    And although eventually we had to open the borders, it allowed precious time for vaccines & antivirals like Paxlovid to be developed & Covid to mutate into less lethal variants.

    So for thousands of us we are incredibly grateful Jacinda Ardern was our PM when this global pandemic struck & we will always be grateful to those fellow Kiwis who made sacrifices like missing weddings, or seeing relatives for those few years in order to save many lives. They may not realise it but it made a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    OR a more rational question would be, would NZ have been a better country under National govt?
    And the answer is definitely no.

    There's as many as 80,000 people alive today, who would have died if National had led the response to the Covid pandemic.
    Many of us going through chemotherapy in 2020 thought there was no way we would survive as we watched mass graves being dug in New York, Italy & Spain, & the thousands dying in the UK.
    The oncologists didn't know what to do.
    They said it was too dangerous to continue with chemo which will wreck your immune system meaning you won't survive Covid, but we can't let your cancer continue to spread.
    It was a Sophies choice!
    They had never experienced a global pandemic sweeping the planet like this.

    Then Jacinda led an elimination policy & NZ literally became the safest place on the planet.
    It was like a miracle for us & meant we could continue with chemo, radiotherapy & many other treatments, operations which had been postponed could suddenly go ahead & hospitals were not overwhelmed as in other countries.
    Apart from cancer patients there are so many others with compromised immune systems, up to 25% of the population, organ transplant patients on immunosuppressive drugs, people with M.S, diabetes, Stem cell transplant patients, & many others living & working in our communities.

    I remember early on a lovely girl of about 20 busily doing her uni assignment towards her degree next to me in the ward as we got our bags of IV chemo dripping through a line into a vein in our arms.
    It seemed so unfair on young people like her, with her whole life ahead of her, National & ACT were saying we have to open the borders & just learn to live with Covid!
    How ridiculous, as if that was a possibility for any of us, we had no chance & would have just been collateral damage.

    And although eventually we had to open the borders, it allowed precious time for vaccines & antivirals like Paxlovid to be developed & Covid to mutate into less lethal variants.

    So for thousands of us we are incredibly grateful Jacinda Ardern was our PM when this global pandemic struck & we will always be grateful to those fellow Kiwis who made sacrifices like missing weddings, or seeing relatives for those few years in order to save many lives. They may not realise it but it made a difference.
    GARBAGE as usual.

    Unadulterated garbage from one of Labour’s spin & BS artists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    OR a more rational question would be, would NZ have been a better country under National govt?
    And the answer is definitely no.

    There's as many as 80,000 people alive today, who would have died if National had led the response to the Covid pandemic.
    Many of us going through chemotherapy in 2020 thought there was no way we would survive as we watched mass graves being dug in New York, Italy & Spain, & the thousands dying in the UK.
    The oncologists didn't know what to do.
    They said it was too dangerous to continue with chemo which will wreck your immune system meaning you won't survive Covid, but we can't let your cancer continue to spread.
    It was a Sophies choice!
    They had never experienced a global pandemic sweeping the planet like this.

    Then Jacinda led an elimination policy & NZ literally became the safest place on the planet.
    It was like a miracle for us & meant we could continue with chemo, radiotherapy & many other treatments, operations which had been postponed could suddenly go ahead & hospitals were not overwhelmed as in other countries.
    Apart from cancer patients there are so many others with compromised immune systems, up to 25% of the population, organ transplant patients on immunosuppressive drugs, people with M.S, diabetes, Stem cell transplant patients, & many others living & working in our communities.

    I remember early on a lovely girl of about 20 busily doing her uni assignment towards her degree next to me in the ward as we got our bags of IV chemo dripping through a line into a vein in our arms.
    It seemed so unfair on young people like her, with her whole life ahead of her, National & ACT were saying we have to open the borders & just learn to live with Covid!
    How ridiculous, as if that was a possibility for any of us, we had no chance & would have just been collateral damage.

    And although eventually we had to open the borders, it allowed precious time for vaccines & antivirals like Paxlovid to be developed & Covid to mutate into less lethal variants.

    So for thousands of us we are incredibly grateful Jacinda Ardern was our PM when this global pandemic struck & we will always be grateful to those fellow Kiwis who made sacrifices like missing weddings, or seeing relatives for those few years in order to save many lives. They may not realise it but it made a difference.
    You can't have a definite answer to a hypothetical. We don't know whether NZ would have been better off under the Nats. We do know that Labour have made a dog's breakfast of the country, radicalised the far right (thankfully tiny numbers), imposed authoritarian divisive and harmful policies and shown themselves to be the most incompetent government in my lifetime.

    As for your last paragraph, the supreme arrogance of demanding charity and sacrifice of others by imposing mandates, splitting families from their dying loved ones, delaying treatments and surgeries and a myriad of other ongoing side effects, sums up Ardern's virtue signaling hypocrisy.

    The obvious path was what the WHO's pandemic plan provided prior to the pandemic. Protect the vulnerable while keeping society functioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Skies View Post
    OR a more rational question would be, would NZ have been a better country under National govt?
    And the answer is definitely no.

    There's as many as 80,000 people alive today, who would have died if National had led the response to the Covid pandemic.
    Many of us going through chemotherapy in 2020 thought there was no way we would survive as we watched mass graves being dug in New York, Italy & Spain, & the thousands dying in the UK.
    The oncologists didn't know what to do.
    They said it was too dangerous to continue with chemo which will wreck your immune system meaning you won't survive Covid, but we can't let your cancer continue to spread.
    It was a Sophies choice!
    They had never experienced a global pandemic sweeping the planet like this.

    Then Jacinda led an elimination policy & NZ literally became the safest place on the planet.
    It was like a miracle for us & meant we could continue with chemo, radiotherapy & many other treatments, operations which had been postponed could suddenly go ahead & hospitals were not overwhelmed as in other countries.
    Apart from cancer patients there are so many others with compromised immune systems, up to 25% of the population, organ transplant patients on immunosuppressive drugs, people with M.S, diabetes, Stem cell transplant patients, & many others living & working in our communities.

    I remember early on a lovely girl of about 20 busily doing her uni assignment towards her degree next to me in the ward as we got our bags of IV chemo dripping through a line into a vein in our arms.
    It seemed so unfair on young people like her, with her whole life ahead of her, National & ACT were saying we have to open the borders & just learn to live with Covid!
    How ridiculous, as if that was a possibility for any of us, we had no chance & would have just been collateral damage.

    And although eventually we had to open the borders, it allowed precious time for vaccines & antivirals like Paxlovid to be developed & Covid to mutate into less lethal variants.

    So for thousands of us we are incredibly grateful Jacinda Ardern was our PM when this global pandemic struck & we will always be grateful to those fellow Kiwis who made sacrifices like missing weddings, or seeing relatives for those few years in order to save many lives. They may not realise it but it made a difference.
    Gosh, sorry to hear you had cancer and needed chemo Blue Skies, thanks for sharing that with us, that would have been an extremely tough time for you and your family. I hope you are well now. All the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    GARBAGE as usual.

    Unadulterated garbage from one of Labour’s spin & BS artists.
    WOW!

    So Blue Skies just shares with us he had cancer and needed chemotherapy in 2020 and he believes Jacinda’s elimination helped save his and others lives and you call his post GARBAGE!

    What a heartless comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by RupertBear View Post
    WOW!

    So Blue Skies just shares with us he had cancer and needed chemotherapy in 2020 and he believes Jacinda’s elimination helped save his and others lives and you call his post GARBAGE!

    What a heartless comment
    Zero mention of the horrendous waiting lists for surgeries, diagnosis, screening and treatment because of Ardern’s dumb & disastrous policies during and post Covid.

    Hence, absolute garbage from Blue Skies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RupertBear View Post
    Gosh, sorry to hear you had cancer and needed chemo Blue Skies, thanks for sharing that with us, that would have been an extremely tough time for you and your family. I hope you are well now. All the best

    Many thanks RB, I've hesitated sharing this but just feel its time to speak up because we never hear the other side of the government's pandemic response story.
    - The people who didn't die, the thing that didn't happen, therefore, that some will never have the capacity to understand.

    There's a bit to add actually.
    Unfortunately my cancer returned a year after the chemo, but due to the govt's record 40% increase in funding for PHARMAC, there are new drugs which are both more effective & far easier to tolerate now fully funded.
    (They're fully funded in Australia.)

    It was almost criminal the National govt so starved PHARMAC for funding & would allow people to go through chemo which is cheap & brutal, when there were far better treatments available & provided by our nearest neighbour.
    PHARMAC is still underfunded compared to Australia, but at least this govt is trying to address the huge gap National left us.

    Although parts of our health system like every country are under huge stress, the standard of care, attention & expertise in my experience has been nothing short of amazing. We are so lucky.
    As one cancer nurse said to me, we only hear the bad stories in the media!



    Im doing well now thanks, there's others like me, under treatment but still extremely active & busy & apart from battling this cancer, fitter than many of my contemporaries.


    And for others, I've never ever even considered joining a political party & have voted both National & Labour in the past.

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    46% jump in hospital waiting list :

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...cent-in-a-year

    Most transparent government ever!

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