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    Me ol mate Moosie wanted me to share these gems. I think he could be on to something here but its not for me. (Any investment that does not return me a dividend no longer meets my investment criteria)

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/cl...ge-must-be-now

    I see all futures prices are above the $50 reserve ceiling and Spot is about to tip over. Very interesting going into 1 September auction, as it puts immense buy pressure on everyone and releases the 7.5M reserve units on top of the 4.75M for the auction. If everything gets bought (coverage ratio was 1:1 last auction, including reserves...) then there is going to be a large imbalance between supply and demand for the next few auctions...

    I see that someone has finally created a CO2 thread on ST. There are a few pointers I can give that may help out those doing their research.

    NZSU auctions occur quarterly, with 4.75M on offer below the ceiling price ($50.00) When that ceiling is breached, a "reserve" of 7.0M units can be thrown into the auction. The latest auction result shows that there was a high amount of demand (10.8M shares) with a clearing price that was above the spot price at the time. Cover ratio nearly a solid 1.0 including the reserve units. (See: https://www.etsauctions.govt.nz/publ...noticeboard/14)

    Now, if we look at the current spot price, well, my oh my, that ceiling price is now well breached for futures prices - spot is not far behind either... (see: www.commtrade.co.nz)

    We also have a big buyer about to come into the market to make up for units they just gave up. GNE needs to buy up 1.6M credits over the next 2-3 years - not an insignificant amount when there are only 26M credits being created this year (see: https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/12593...-100m--analyst)

    It also pays to see the final advice the Climate Commission gave to the Government. A ruling is expected from the Labour Government in December of this year about pricing in the ETS. The current advice is to raise the ceiling to $70 and tack on 10%+ per annum to account for inflation (and to squeeze carbon producers...). (See: https://www.climatecommission.govt.n...-for-aotearoa/)

    Finally, it pays to keep track of overseas carbon futures prices. These are much, much higher than ours currently (see: https://m.investing.com/commodities/carbon-emissions). 55 Euros = $93 NZD.

    I'm surprised more people haven't cottoned on to the fact this is a license to print money. Still plenty of room to move for a few years yet!

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    Carbon unit price cap will be lifted from 2020.
    https://environment.govt.nz/news/rel...ets-regulation...

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    Former poster Moosie wants me to share this with you and sent me lots of cute pictures of his Golden Retriever so I couldn't say no. He did mention however in an important previous email his new baby was a major carbon and methane emitter...perhaps that's why he is so keen on this one lol

    Very interesting to see the ceiling price on CO2 will be raised from $50 to $70 from 2022. Of even more interest is that the government is now committing to ~10% rises of said ceiling per annum to keep the pressure on polluters.

    Tables of changes are here: https://environment.govt.nz/news/rel...-and-sgg-levy/

    And wow, some are now saying it needs to be $250 per unit! I had originally calculated about $110 for the ETS to start being a game changer and for industry to change as the cost-benefit model for status quo starts to flip.

    Https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/cl...r-rein-in-2022

    Once again, Euro futures heading to new ATHs and our price is still very undervalued. This train keeps chugging and I keep buying - everyone should while the government is guaranteeing great returns and a James Shaw Put to boot!
    Last edited by Beagle; 24-08-2021 at 02:42 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Carbon unit price cap will be lifted from 2020.
    https://environment.govt.nz/news/rel...ets-regulation...
    close enough. The Cost Containment Reserve Trigger Price and auction price floor are going up.
    NZX do a reasonable job of explaining how the cost containment reserve works in ets auctions of NZUs, scroll down to the cost containment reserve heading here:
    https://www.etsauctions.govt.nz/publ...ng/participate

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    Seems OTT all these suits to do what?
    Buy some CC 's
    How difficult is that?
    So saying CC price will go up but dependent on govt policies
    https://www.carbonfund.co.nz/team-members

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiora View Post
    Seems OTT all these suits to do what?
    Buy some CC 's
    How difficult is that?
    So saying CC price will go up but dependent on govt policies
    https://www.carbonfund.co.nz/team-members
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    Especially like these bits...

    "The Fund’s aim is to provide investors with a total return exposure to the price of carbon credits. The Fund has the ability to buy carbon credits in emissions trading schemes in New Zealand and offshore."

    The overseas exposure is where the real value lies as carbon markets link up over time eg NZ & Euro...

    Here's the earlier trading site from years back now https://www.carbonmatch.co.nz/

    nb. NZ Credits only on this site, companies only...but newsletter interesting...
    Last edited by Davexl; 30-08-2021 at 12:38 PM.
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    Price of Carbon crosses 60 Euros for first time (= NZD $100.50)
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    why the big move in CO2 price today? monstrous ... not sure if it is linked to NZU price or not

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