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What a strange result. I don’t think anyone would have thought a few weeks ago, that there would be 123 MPs in Parliament.
The Maori Party taking 6 maori electorates, surely will mean the resignations of Willie, Kelvin et al with the collapse of the Maori Caucus, after a term when Labour had a parliamentary majority.
Last edited by iceman; 03-11-2023 at 03:40 PM.
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Willie Jackson says Labour is obliged to ask for a recount in Tāmaki Makaurau
Labour Māori strategist Willie Jackson congratulated Te Pāti Māori and its president, John Tamihere.
Jackson said while they were disappointed to lose Tāmaki Makaurau and Te Tai Tokerau, they can at least take consolation that Māori did not abandon Labour.
He said the party is obliged to ask for a recount in Tāmaki Makaurau, given the margin is so tight, but it was unlikely they would ask for a recount in Te Tai Tokerau.
"Again, I congratulate Te Pāti Māori on their election strategy and big ups to John Tamihere."
How was the strategy again - Willie ? 
Last edited by nztx; 03-11-2023 at 03:55 PM.
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Seymour says he can work with Peters - here's their most venomous insults, ranked
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...HLDOFIAZ7DTN4/
Election 2023: Winston Peters vs David Seymour - their 15 most venomous insults, ranked
This story was originally published by the Spinoff on September 25. Today David Seymour said he thinks he could work with Winston Peters.
Love, as so astutely observed by Pat Benatar, is a battlefield. So while the Chris and Chris Show was a balm for the soul, another great romance is at play in New Zealand politics, waged in the verbal fisticuffs of Winston Peters and David Seymour.
Alas the said "Love" for Labour appears to be a kick in the ass and sent spinning out .. and that's being kind, as the hapless former Queen of Relentless Fluffy Spin would have expected, before she ran away
Last edited by nztx; 03-11-2023 at 03:54 PM.
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Not sure that TPM winning 6 race-based electorates & creating an over-hang situation is going to do much for the Left’s prospects at the next election. The unpleasant threat of the TPM tail wagging a Labour government dog is now well and truly apparent to centrist and swing voters. Labours ability to ever again portray themselves as able to form a moderate and centrist government has been obliterated. The more radical the Left alternative appears, the more repellant it becomes to the vast clump of voters in the middle. 6 TPM MP’s + their radical & like-minded allies in the Greens creates the potential for an awful lot of disruption and grandstanding in the next term of Parliament, and Labour will struggle to distance themselves from it. It’s a headache for the Left alright, a real pyrrhic victory.
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 Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers
Not sure that TPM winning 6 race-based electorates & creating an over-hang situation is going to do much for the Left’s prospects at the next election. The unpleasant threat of the TPM tail wagging a Labour government dog is now well and truly apparent to centrist and swing voters. Labours ability to ever again portray themselves as able to form a moderate and centrist government has been obliterated. The more radical the Left alternative appears, the more repellant it becomes to the vast clump of voters in the middle. 6 TPM MP’s + their radical & like-minded allies in the Greens creates the potential for an awful lot of disruption and grandstanding in the next term of Parliament, and Labour will struggle to distance themselves from it. It’s a headache for the Left alright, a real pyrrhic victory.
What has been seen is potentially move of Maori Support from Labour to TPM with possible threat of further
impending movement down the track. This could see implosion of some degree within Labour..
What happens when movement reaches the 16% or so level crossing over? What will be gained ?
Last edited by nztx; 03-11-2023 at 04:35 PM.
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How many seats are required to form a government?
62
How many seats does Nat / Act / Nzf have? (if they can play nicely)
67
What if they can't play nicely, how many seats does Lab / Grn / Tpm / Nzf have?
63
Kingmaker returns
Last edited by Baa_Baa; 03-11-2023 at 04:52 PM.
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Originally Posted by Baa_Baa
How many seats are required to form a government?
62
How many seats doesn't Nat / Act / Nzf have? (if they can play nicely)
67
What if they can't play nicely, how many seats does Lab / Grn / Tpm / Nzf have?
63
Kingmaker returns
Kingmaker has choice between Labour which he has ruled out previously, or ACT which Seymour says he can work with 
How are the makers of the new Crown going or are they still confused ?
Will it be Red, Black & Green .. or Blue, Yellow & Black ?
But has Hipkins not already conceded on the night ?
Last edited by nztx; 03-11-2023 at 05:18 PM.
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Originally Posted by Balance
Most interesting one to me is Mt Albert.
Helen White ( I did so very well) hangs on by 20 votes.
Freaking heck - what a razor sharp margin for one of Labour’s safest seats! The electorate there sure sent Quitter Cindy a message!
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Originally Posted by Daytr
Isn't Kelvin Davis 2nd on the Labour list?
It throws Davis’ future in doubt given he suggested before the election he would retire if he didn’t win his seat.
He is reported as having said..
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