Should the Green Party have a name change , if so to what ?

[Logen Ninefingers]

If you mean that other nations are not doing anything to mitigate AGW, you are certainly wrong.

If you mean that NZ can ignore our international obligations to mitigate AGW without consequences in terms of trading relationships you are almost certainly wrong.

If you mean that NZ can ignore our international obligations to mitigate AGW without undermining the international consensus around AGW you are probably wrong.

Daytr calls other more learned posters ‘Rednecks’, then goes on to blast people for ‘childish name calling’. Oh dear.

When confronted with factual information, the response from the Left is to lose the plot. They just cannot accept that even if New Zealand cut its emissions to zero, it would make no practical difference to the trajectory of global warming. This is what we call an ‘inconvenient truth’.

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/

‘China’s emissions under current policies remain sky high with no sign of substantial emission reductions before the 2030 peaking timeline, putting one of the country’s NDC targets in jeopardy. Energy and electricity demand forecasts continue to grow, prolonging China's dependence on fossil fuels, despite substantial progress in renewables and end use sectors.

The government continues to champion the role of fossil fuels in transitioning its energy sector, with maximising coal production and oil and gas exploration seen as key to providing stability and security.

‘Carbon emissions peaking’ timelines in high-emitting industry sectors have been pushed back to align with the economy-wide 2030 peaking target. The government appears to have room to raise ambition in its climate, energy and sector targets but geopolitics, energy security concerns, and international diplomacy remain a lingering barrier. The CAT’s overall rating for China’s policies and targets remains “Highly insufficient”.

China’s production and mining of coal in 2022 were at record high levels, while coal power capacity in the pipeline remains by far the world's largest.

The CAT rates China’s climate targets and policies as “Highly Insufficient”. The “Highly insufficient” rating indicates that China’s climate policies and commitments are not consistent with the Paris Agreement’s 1.5°C temperature limit and lead to a plateau of high, rather than falling, emissions levels.

China’s climate commitment in 2030 falls between two categories: “Insufficient” and “Highly Insufficient”. The CAT rates China’s commitments as “Highly Insufficient” as emission levels under its NDC commitments are substantially higher than what would be deemed 1.5°C compatible compared to its “fair share” contribution.’

[blackcap]

Thats quite funny.

[Daytr]

Daytr calls other more learned posters ‘Rednecks’, then goes on to blast people for ‘childish name calling’. Oh dear.

When confronted with factual information, the response from the Left is to lose the plot. They just cannot accept that even if New Zealand cut its emissions to zero, it would make no practical difference to the trajectory of global warming. This is what we call an ‘inconvenient truth’.

https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china/

‘China’s emissions under current policies remain sky high with no sign of substantial emission reductions before the 2030 peaking timeline, putting one of the country’s NDC targets in jeopardy. Energy and electricity demand forecasts continue to grow, prolonging China's dependence on fossil fuels, despite substantial progress in renewables and end use sectors.

The government continues to champion the role of fossil fuels in transitioning its energy sector, with maximising coal production and oil and gas exploration seen as key to providing stability and security.

‘Carbon emissions peaking’ timelines in high-emitting industry sectors have been pushed back to align with the economy-wide 2030 peaking target. The government appears to have room to raise ambition in its climate, energy and sector targets but geopolitics, energy security concerns, and international diplomacy remain a lingering barrier. The CAT’s overall rating for China’s policies and targets remains “Highly insufficient”.

China’s production and mining of coal in 2022 were at record high levels, while coal power capacity in the pipeline remains by far the world's largest.

The CAT rates China’s climate targets and policies as “Highly Insufficient”. The “Highly insufficient” rating indicates that China’s climate policies and commitments are not consistent with the Paris Agreement’s 1.5°C temperature limit and lead to a plateau of high, rather than falling, emissions levels.

China’s climate commitment in 2030 falls between two categories: “Insufficient” and “Highly Insufficient”. The CAT rates China’s commitments as “Highly Insufficient” as emission levels under its NDC commitments are substantially higher than what would be deemed 1.5°C compatible compared to its “fair share” contribution.’

It's because your point is lame.
The majority of countries in the world only have a very small percentage of global emissions. In fact the 3rd largest emitter is below 5%.
So over 200 countries individually have a small percentage of global emissions.

But accumlatively they add up to around 70% of emissions and as a country you cannot apply pressure on other countries if you are not performing yourself.

More & more trade agreements are going to include climate change & other environmental clauses. So you would isolate NZs economy from the major markets such as Europe but over time many more.

But hey let's keep the 10M cows in NZ belching and farting & even more damaging, pissing & crapping into our fresh water.

If the cap fits wear it, be it Redneck or Dinosaur.
I hope you don't have grandchildren.

[Logen Ninefingers]

It's because your point is lame.
The majority of countries in the world only have a very small percentage of global emissions. In fact the 3rd largest emitter is below 5%.
So over 200 countries individually have a small percentage of global emissions.

But accumlatively they add up to around 70% of emissions and as a country you cannot apply pressure on other countries if you are not performing yourself.

More & more trade agreements are going to include climate change & other environmental clauses. So you would isolate NZs economy from the major markets such as Europe but over time many more.

But hey let's keep the 10M cows in BZ belching and farting & even more damaging, pissing & crapping into our fresh water.

If the cap fits wear it, be it Redneck or Dinosaur.
I hope you don't have or grandchildren.

‘So over 200 countries individually have a small percentage of global emissions.

But accumlatively they add up to around 70% of emissions’

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Factually incorrect:
China = 29.18% of global emissions
India = 7.09% of global emissions
USA = 14.02% global emissions
Russia = 4.65% of global emissions
Japan = 3.47% of global emissions
= 58.41%

NZ : “Duh, we are rich & we must do our part; we will hammer our farming sector which produces food”.

China : “Meh, we are still developing. Get back to us in 2030. We will keep increasing our coal production and keep opening steel mills to make steel to use in building empty ghost cities”.

[Logen Ninefingers]

It's because your point is lame.
The majority of countries in the world only have a very small percentage of global emissions. In fact the 3rd largest emitter is below 5%.
So over 200 countries individually have a small percentage of global emissions.

But accumlatively they add up to around 70% of emissions and as a country you cannot apply pressure on other countries if you are not performing yourself.

More & more trade agreements are going to include climate change & other environmental clauses. So you would isolate NZs economy from the major markets such as Europe but over time many more.

But hey let's keep the 10M cows in BZ belching and farting & even more damaging, pissing & crapping into our fresh water.

If the cap fits wear it, be it Redneck or Dinosaur.
I hope you don't have or grandchildren.

I hope you don't have or grandchildren.

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Your comments are disgraceful, but I won’t wish ill upon you. But you have a cheek if you call yourself a Kiwi, because from where I sit you want to destroy farming in this country while turning a blind eye to China and its total disregard for the issue of global warming. China - the worlds biggest polluter - will keep increasing its emissions every year for the next 7 years, and Daytr is absolutely fine with that.

[Logen Ninefingers]

China is driving the car off a cliff into the Grand Canyon. Daytr thinks that if he puts his seatbelt on in the back that it’ll stop the car from going over the edge.

[blackcap]

I hope you don't have or grandchildren.

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Your comments are disgraceful, but I won’t wish ill upon you. But you have a cheek if you call yourself a Kiwi, because from where I sit you want to destroy farming in this country while turning a blind eye to China and its total disregard for the issue of global warming. China - the worlds biggest polluter - will keep increasing its emissions every year for the next 7 years, and Daytr is absolutely fine with that.

It is disgusting what the left and the climate doom mongers are doing to our productive rural community. Hard working people who are being inundated with beauracracy and new laws ad infinitum. I personally know a few who are getting to being at wits end.

Our contribution to emissions (if you believe that malarky) is so miniscule it becomes irrelevant. We need to protect our productive sectors and the backbone of our small but many communities that make the fabric of this society.

[nztx]

It is disgusting what the left and the climate doom mongers are doing to our productive rural community. Hard working people who are being inundated with beauracracy and new laws ad infinitum. I personally know a few who are getting to being at wits end.

Our contribution to emissions (if you believe that malarky) is so miniscule it becomes irrelevant. We need to protect our productive sectors and the backbone of our small but many communities that make the fabric of this society.

Indeed - agree there

[Logen Ninefingers]

It is disgusting what the left and the climate doom mongers are doing to our productive rural community. Hard working people who are being inundated with beauracracy and new laws ad infinitum. I personally know a few who are getting to being at wits end.

Our contribution to emissions (if you believe that malarky) is so miniscule it becomes irrelevant. We need to protect our productive sectors and the backbone of our small but many communities that make the fabric of this society.

You can certainly see how quickly the Left become unhinged when it comes to NZ farming. It starts off with ‘we must to our part to curb emissions’ but then as the discussion progressed, out came a vile rant about ‘cows crapping and pissing in our rivers’. Cow numbers are declining, farmers are fencing off waterways and doing riparian planting as fast as they can, but they will never get one iota of credit from the rabid Left.

[Daytr]

‘So over 200 countries individually have a small percentage of global emissions.

But accumlatively they add up to around 70% of emissions’

————

Factually incorrect:
China = 29.18% of global emissions
India = 7.09% of global emissions
USA = 14.02% global emissions
Russia = 4.65% of global emissions
Japan = 3.47% of global emissions
= 58.41%

NZ : “Duh, we are rich & we must do our part; we will hammer our farming sector which produces food”.

China : “Meh, we are still developing. Get back to us in 2030. We will keep increasing our coal production and keep opening steel mills to make steel to use in building empty ghost cities”.

Quite right I was taking data from the wrong column, however the point remains the same. Pressure cannot be applied to other countries without doing the right thing first.
The economic cost of not doing the right thing now will be far outweighed in the future.