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    Quote Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers View Post
    I was waiting for the cliched cry of ‘neoliberalism!’ and there it is…in fact, it's ‘on steroids’ in Daytrs fevered imagination. Apparently we will have a society where its ‘everyone for themselves’ and there will be no money for health or education. Turn it up, I’d expect this kind of scaremongering from a marxist pamphlet, not from a neutral.
    Simply look at the Act alternative budget.

    It's a disgraceful attack on the elderly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytr View Post
    Straight off the bat, Northland College. There are plenty of others.
    Hospitals left to rot, Middlemore, Whangarei, Starship & Auckland Women's and they are just the ones I am aware of without any digging.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...t-reveals.html

    Nice try re caretakers. What BS.
    Northland College, but where is the bit about it being ‘all Nationals fault’?

    So a poor and disingenuous example ‘right off the bat’.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/northl...JOGAGHBBP7E4Y/

    Northland College students stuck with 'worst classrooms in New Zealand'

    By Kirsty Johnston
    2 Jun, 2015 05:00 AM

    ‘The buildings have long been an issue at the 280-student school, which has also had struggles with governance, attendance and achievement. Previous boards failed to maintain the classrooms - while at the same time funding a new administration block - leading to their run-down state.

    Now under a commissioner, the school is trying to get new classrooms signed off by the Ministry of Education. The head of the ministry's Education Infrastructure Service, Kim Shannon, said it was working closely with the school and had provided $1.5 million for urgent works.

    "It's important that we take the necessary time to ensure the best outcome for the school," she said.

    "Extensive planning work is being undertaken to ensure that the school has buildings which are healthy and comfortable, and meet the students' needs."

    "It's not the ministry's fault. The school has got this way because of mismanagement. But that's not these kids' fault either,"’ principal Jim Luders said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytr View Post
    Here's another school left to rot, Hutt Valley

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...lassrooms.html
    The ‘rot’ is coming from you at the moment. In 2018 ‘officials say the school "has been well maintained, is in good shape and commended the board for that", according to board minutes.’ Directly contradicting your assertions!

    Moreover, you’ve posted an article about a school from 2021, when Labour had been in power for 4 years.

    From the timeline -

    2017: The replacement of C block is estimated to cost $11.7m.

    2018: In June, the school and ministry discuss roofing problems. The school warns the $90,000 budgeted to fix five roofs "is likely to be woefully unrepresentative of actual costs". The school reluctantly agrees to pay to fix the roofs, but later the ministry agrees to. Officials say the school "has been well maintained, is in good shape and commended the board for that", according to board minutes.

    2019: In July, the roof report costs replacing 90 percent of the roofs at $6m, versus ministry calculations that provide $2.2m for property capital works and upgrades for 2020-25. The roof report recommends air testing in 10 classroom blocks and both gyms because "longstanding" leaks present the risk of mould. The school gives the ministry the report to coincide with the five-year planning, but air testing does not take place. (The school and ministry have overlapping duties under health and safety laws to students and staff.)

    2020: In July, the ministry moves to plug a budget blow-out on rebuilding the burnout tech block by raiding the 2020-25 property fund of $2.2m, for $1.8m. The school resists, fearing this will "leave other projects held up". It finally accedes, partly as it thinks the leaking roofs will get funded from elsewhere. The ministry acknowledges its communications have been "shoddy" and it has "not kept the school in the loop", according to board minutes. In November, consultants working on the 10-year property funding plan say C block is core but money keeps getting "diverted" to other priorities. They foresee repairing the block's roof in 2021.

    2021: In March, the school, off its own bat, calls in air testers and finds mould in C block. Later tests find more mould in other blocks. In May, the school and ministry sit down with same architect who did the 2016 master plan, to revive the plan. At the school hall meeting, former board member Chris Nicholls tells families: "We commissioned the report. The ministry weren't interested." Ministry officials promise to "learn as much as possible from this".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers View Post
    The ‘rot’ is coming from you at the moment. An article about a school from 2021, when Labour had been in power for 4 years.

    From the timeline -

    2017: The replacement of C block is estimated to cost $11.7m.

    2018: In June, the school and ministry discuss roofing problems. The school warns the $90,000 budgeted to fix five roofs "is likely to be woefully unrepresentative of actual costs". The school reluctantly agrees to pay to fix the roofs, but later the ministry agrees to. Officials say the school "has been well maintained, is in good shape and commended the board for that", according to board minutes.

    2019: In July, the roof report costs replacing 90 percent of the roofs at $6m, versus ministry calculations that provide $2.2m for property capital works and upgrades for 2020-25. The roof report recommends air testing in 10 classroom blocks and both gyms because "longstanding" leaks present the risk of mould. The school gives the ministry the report to coincide with the five-year planning, but air testing does not take place. (The school and ministry have overlapping duties under health and safety laws to students and staff.)

    2020: In July, the ministry moves to plug a budget blow-out on rebuilding the burnout tech block by raiding the 2020-25 property fund of $2.2m, for $1.8m. The school resists, fearing this will "leave other projects held up". It finally accedes, partly as it thinks the leaking roofs will get funded from elsewhere. The ministry acknowledges its communications have been "shoddy" and it has "not kept the school in the loop", according to board minutes. In November, consultants working on the 10-year property funding plan say C block is core but money keeps getting "diverted" to other priorities. They foresee repairing the block's roof in 2021.

    2021: In March, the school, off its own bat, calls in air testers and finds mould in C block. Later tests find more mould in other blocks. In May, the school and ministry sit down with same architect who did the 2016 master plan, to revive the plan. At the school hall meeting, former board member Chris Nicholls tells families: "We commissioned the report. The ministry weren't interested." Ministry officials promise to "learn as much as possible from this".
    Are you that biased that you deliberately missed out the start of the timeline in 2015 at by which time National had been in power over six years. Where is your integrity!
    Last edited by Daytr; 18-07-2023 at 03:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytr View Post
    Are you that biased that you deliberately missed out the following. Where is your integrity!
    The only person who is biased around here is you. Desperately hunting down stories to ‘prove’ that National ‘left schools to rot’ and coming up empty! You’ve been brainwashed by Labour talking points.

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    I wonder If dave will start doing sympathy tours to sell chris luxon to the public.

    Come on, help this guy out here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daytr View Post
    Are you that biased that you deliberately missed out the start of the timeline in 2015 at by which time National had been in power over six years. Where is your integrity!
    From the article you posted -
    2018 : ‘officials say the school "has been well maintained, is in good shape and commended the board for that", according to board minutes.’

    A slam dunk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    I wonder If dave will start doing sympathy tours to sell chris luxon to the public.

    Come on, help this guy out here.
    How on earth can he compete with the charisma of ‘used ventriloquists dummy’ Chipkins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logen Ninefingers View Post
    From the article you posted -
    2018 : ‘officials say the school "has been well maintained, is in good shape and commended the board for that", according to board minutes.’

    A slam dunk!
    Blocked! Again you are disingenuous with your reply deliberately not selecting the start of the time line in 2015.


    • 2015: In October, the board tells the ministry its five-year property funding model is "not adequate to arrest the decline of ministry assets leased by the board". The board opts to raise the annual donation noting it had "no choice but to increase the financial burden on parents as the ministry does not fund the school sufficiently under the current regime, notwithstanding that students are legally entitled to a free education".

    And what about those hospitals eh? Just ignoring the hundreds of millions that have had to be spent just to make the buildings workable again.
    Your disgraceful attempt to hide the full story just reinforces your lack of integrity and credibility.
    Last edited by Daytr; 18-07-2023 at 03:50 PM.
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    And an even more damning report on the state of schools surveyed in 2018. And before you its caretakers fault or principles fault they are part of the ministry and had to make tough choices due to lack of funding.

    Third of school buildings fall short on health and hygiene | RNZ News
    Last edited by Daytr; 18-07-2023 at 04:17 PM.
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