Nat/act/nzf 2023

[Balance]

Quite a number of positive comments from political analysts about Luxon moving two poor performing ministers on.

As usual, Hipkins and his fellow losers tried to make an issue out of the demotions.

Poor Hapless Hipkins - getting hysterical as well these days as he is stuck in a job he is bad at & hates while he watches Clueless Cindy & Robertson moved on to better pastures.

Read on from Dsvid Farrar:

He [Hipkins] said the government had only been in office for six months, and “the wheels are falling off already”.

This is beyond stupid. Hipkins claims taking two portfolios away from Ministers who were seen to be struggling is the wheels are falling off.

In the first few months of last year, we saw his Government have:

The PM resign

The Minister of Justice sacked/resigned after being charged with drink driving and not co-operating with Police after she crashed her car

Stuart Nash sacked for leaking Cabinet discussions and multiple prior warnings

Michael Wood sacked after being told 12 times to sell shares he had a ministerial conflict over

A Minister defect to Te Pati Maori.

Phil Twyford demoted

Three Ministers dropped as they were retiring at the election

For Hipkins to talk about a wheels dropping off, is hilarious.

Opposition Leaders often fall into the trap of thinking they have to try and turn everything into a scandal, and make overly dramatise everything as the end of the world etc. This mainly works by turning the public off the Opposition Leader.

David Farrar runs Curia Market Research, a specialist opinion polling and research agency, and the popular Kiwiblog where this article was sourced.

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Quite a number of positive comments from political analysts about Luxon moving two poor performing ministers on.

Yeah it's a really good thing (sarcasm). You would think he would make the right picks in the first place though.

It's from his own team too not the coalition.

[Daytr]

You are just miffed because new examples keep coming out all these months later about just how reckless and wasteful your Heroine and Hero was with taxpayer funds.

If all you've got is "wahhhh, wrong thread!" then we really must have ya on the ropes!

Hehe.

So many times you just post stuff out of Balance's arse being the sycophant you are.

New! All Balance does is keep repeating the same old crap.

And of course you borrow your hero's modus operandi. Of course I must be a screaming lefty.
Wrong again.

This thread has really gone down the toilet.

National's record on housing.
They made a claim they built 30,000 houses in their nine years in Government when in fact they delivered over 2,000 less houses.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/07/national-housing-spokesperson-jacqui-dean-falsely-claims-they-built-30-000-state-homes-when-last-in-power.html

Shall I keep repeating this monotonously?
At least it's on the right thread'

[Balance]

So many times you just post stuff out of Balance's arse being the sycophant you are.

New! All Balance does is keep repeating the same old crap.

And of course you borrow your hero's modus operandi. Of course I must be a screaming lefty.
Wrong again.

This thread has really gone down the toilet.

National's record on housing.
They made a claim they built 30,000 houses in their nine years in Government when in fact they delivered over 2,000 less houses.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...-in-power.html

Shall I keep repeating this monotonously?
At least it's on the right thread'

I do not see any poster here defending what was clearly a falsehood by National's spokesperson on how many houses they built. If you do, please show us.

We also do not see any poster here repeating the falsehood and when challenged, tried to spin it to deflect from the falsehood. If you do, please show us.

In contrast, we see Cindy's devotees not only repeating the falsehoods spun by Labour about their multitude of failures but when confronted, they resort to spin and deflection to try & detract from the falsehoods.

So you & the other spin-artists need and you will be reminded repeatedly of your corrupted and repugnant attempts at spreading lies and falsehoods.

"12,000 new houses built by Labour became 12,000 new houses delivered by Labour to 12,000 houses delivered by Labour!" Try that BS elsewhere where fools reside but don't try it here.

"Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his errors." Mark Twain

[Balance]

Here are some examples of just how shallow and how full of lies Hysterical Hapless Hipkins and the Labour Party have been in criticizing the new government in cutting back on the number of civil servants :

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/04/h...oogle_vignette

Newshub reports:

Labour Party leader Chris Hipkins has stood by increasing the public service workforce during his time in government, saying it’s been proportionate to the growth in population.

The Coalition Government has directed the public services to cut costs by between 6.5 and 7.5 percent to help reduce annual public service spending by $1.5 billion. It’s resulted in thousands of jobs proposed to be axed across the sector.

The National Party has said it is trying to restore “financial discipline” with its cuts to the public service because the number of staff has ballooned under the previous Labour Government.

Since Labour came to power in 2017, the number of public servants has increased by roughly one-third, up just under 18,500 to a total of 65,699 full-time equivalent staff at the end of 2023.

However, Hipkins said the increase in public sector jobs was in response to New Zealand’s rising population. According to Stats NZ, New Zealand’s population has increased from just over 4.76 million at the end of 2016 to 5.3 million at the end of 2023.

That is a 33% increase in public service numbers compared to an 11% increase in population. So when Hipkins says the growth has been proportionate he is wrong, or you can use a term that rhymes with flying.

Hipkins said the increase in government spending over the last six years under Labour has been proportionate to the increase in population and increase in pressure the public services have been under.

Government spending was $78 billion in 2017 and $140 billion in 2023. That is a massive 79% increase.

“The size of the public sector workforce relative to the overall size of the workforce is actually slightly less than it was when we first became the government,” he said.

Again not true. The HLFS show the proportion of the workforce in public administration and safety went from 5.6% to 6.9% from 2017 to 2023. If he is talking about the entire public sector then he is not talking just public servants but also doctors, nurses, teachers etc. That is a red herring. Few if any say we don’t have enough of those.

“The country is not broke. We have actually got some of the lowest government debt levels in the OECD,” he told AM co-host Lloyd Burr.

Actually 15 OECD countries have lower gross debt. And for net debt, Michael Riddell shows us:



So we are not near the bottom at all.

He said New Zealand was in a “difficult part in the economic cycle” and now is not the time for tax cuts.

A chocolate fish for a reader who can find anytime Chris Hipkins has said the time is right for tax cuts.

[Daytr]

I do not see any poster here defending what was clearly a falsehood by National's spokesperson on how many houses they built. If you do, please show us.

We also do not see any poster here repeating the falsehood and when challenged, tried to spin it to deflect from the falsehood. If you do, please show us.

In contrast, we see Cindy's devotees not only repeating the falsehoods spun by Labour about their multitude of failures but when confronted, they resort to spin and deflection to try & detract from the falsehoods.

So you & the other spin-artists need and you will be reminded repeatedly of your corrupted and repugnant attempts at spreading lies and falsehoods.

"12,000 new houses built by Labour became 12,000 new houses delivered by Labour to 12,000 houses delivered by Labour!" Try that BS elsewhere where fools reside but don't try it here.

"Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his errors." Mark Twain

Anyone can see through your silly semantics.
If I get a house built for myself, what do I do? I employ a builder or i buy a new build.
Who cares how, they delivered over 12,000 homes. Nothing to defend, it's a fact.

Just like National’s record, there is nothing to defend. I mean literally nothing, because they didn't deliver one in nine years.
I don't see anyone defending the 100k house promise by Labour either. So your point is moot.

The real question is, which Government delivered on housing & which couldn't even maintain the level of housing they had when they came into office?

I hope NAFT do deliver on housing & perhaps if they do it would be relevant to post as such.

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I hope NAFT do deliver on housing & perhaps if they do it would be relevant to post as such.

What is NAFT?

[Daytr]

What is NAFT?

Probably should just be NAF.

It's the coalition.

[dobby41]

Quite a number of positive comments from political analysts about Luxon moving two poor performing ministers on.

It was a necessary move - they weren't performing for one reason or another.
Interesting, though, around Lee.
I had read that she had a cabinet paper but it was pulled because Winston said he hadn't seen it.
It was, it seems, sent to his office and he was given enough time (in line with the Cabinet Manual) to comment but hadn't - he got it pulled from the Cabinet Order Paper (by his own admission).
So it was sent back to Winston where it languished while he was overseas.
So who lost faith in Lee? It seems that Winston put the kibosh on Lee.

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[Bjauck]

Probably should just be NAF.

It's the coalition.

What animals best represent the NZ party groupings? Gr, Lab, Māori vs. Act, Nat, NZF. In the USA it is the Donkey vs, the Elephant. How about the green Tree Snake versus the T. Rex.