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    Quote Originally Posted by davflaws View Post
    We could indeed start with Ngapuhi if we were discussing settlements under TOW, but that has nothing to do with a discussion of how "Maori Elites" are responsible for preventing some (unspecified) provisions that have been put in place from filtereing down to those in need.
    Hundreds of millions of dollars of provisions are being held back by bickering elites within Ngapuhi. It isn't the overall dollar amount/package, but the internal power struggle that is holding things up. That's why Finlayson was furious with them. Those in need have been unable to access their entitlements. Meanwhile it is the impoverished who suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda-NZ- View Post
    Winners from the budget will definitely include landlords while everyone else has cuts.

    Having a protest won't stop their after-budget party. But a blackout might.

    At a minimum it would make a difference as to whether the champagne is served chilled, or at room temperature.

    That's okay .. LL's have in past 6 years suffered multiple custs & blows at the hands of Robbo & the clueless, and still in many parts continued filling a gap while Labour continued failing to come anywhere near what they promised & at the same time were trying to manipulate the markets..

    Guess who the Losers were out of that - all the most vulnerable that Labour should have been looking after

    Everyone knows exactly where to point the blame for the past 6 years of clueless meddling & non performance

    Even those who Labour encouraged into homes (before further meddling to close the tap & restrict supply) have been left scarred out of the idiot Left's envy meddling

    Will Labour ever learn that - if they sh*t on those of their support base every time they come in, then sooner or later no amount of sorries will rescue Labour from a well deserved permanent holiday in the shade
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    Meanwhile, Parliament has become a toxic environment where issues of race, ethnicity and racism have taken the place of ideals, aspirations and progress.

    And all NZers who keep quiet while these disgusting issues are allowed to fester unchecked and unchallenged.

    https://democracyproject.nz/2024/05/...identity-wars/

    Toxicity and disinformation are becoming a big part of New Zealand politics. And much of this relates to debates about ethnicity, race, and racism.

    We should all be concerned about this trend. Personal abuse, dishonesty, and contempt in the public sphere are bad for democracy, social cohesion, and the integrity of the political system.

    The worst offenders, especially in terms of ethnicity, are often elected politicians, political parties, and even government agencies. This dimension is too frequently brushed aside. Instead, attention is directed to a cliché that the problem is about anonymous keyboard warriors in darkened bedrooms.

    Perhaps it’s therefore time to shed some light on any political figures when they degenerate into hurling toxic political weapons. Currently, the worst offenders are Te Pati Māori and others aligned with them. Not only are they using ethnic-based slurs and attacks on people’s identities, but they are also using all sorts of evidence-free claims to foster outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Meanwhile, Parliament has become a toxic environment where issues of race, ethnicity and racism have taken the place of ideals, aspirations and progress.

    And all NZers who keep quiet while these disgusting issues are allowed to fester unchecked and unchallenged.

    https://democracyproject.nz/2024/05/...identity-wars/

    Toxicity and disinformation are becoming a big part of New Zealand politics. And much of this relates to debates about ethnicity, race, and racism.

    We should all be concerned about this trend. Personal abuse, dishonesty, and contempt in the public sphere are bad for democracy, social cohesion, and the integrity of the political system.

    The worst offenders, especially in terms of ethnicity, are often elected politicians, political parties, and even government agencies. This dimension is too frequently brushed aside. Instead, attention is directed to a cliché that the problem is about anonymous keyboard warriors in darkened bedrooms.

    Perhaps it’s therefore time to shed some light on any political figures when they degenerate into hurling toxic political weapons. Currently, the worst offenders are Te Pati Māori and others aligned with them. Not only are they using ethnic-based slurs and attacks on people’s identities, but they are also using all sorts of evidence-free claims to foster outrage.

    Indeed .. a lot of the Offensive & Vulgar unruly and seemingly uneducated trash which has crept into Parliament & the Civil Service in the last decade leaves a lot to be desired. We dont need to even look at how & who encouraged or facilitated recruiting this trash into public offices either .. just look back into the last few terms and the desperados needing any sort of support or leg in they could muster to continue pushing their filthy backwards Crisis centered idealogies & goals on all
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    This is a sad indictment of our social fabric when our kids question funding for mental health when that funding comes from a source that their parental and institutional (as in schools) politics don't agree with. Welfare from the left is good. Welfare from the right is bad. Great response from Mike King

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/i-am-h...PQJ25CY5VMQ3U/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Hundreds of millions of dollars of provisions are being held back by bickering elites within Ngapuhi. It isn't the overall dollar amount/package, but the internal power struggle that is holding things up. That's why Finlayson was furious with them. Those in need have been unable to access their entitlements. Meanwhile it is the impoverished who suffer.
    Nah - You continue to conflate TOW settlements with provison of resources generally. The claim that I am questioning is that Maori elites are preventing the distribution of economic resources to those in need. That is a quite separate issue from TOW settlements.

    In relation to TOW settlements, I agree with you - Ngapuhi have seemed keener to fight with each other than to settle for many years - but that is their business, and the fact that some Iwi haven't got it together does not absolve the govt from responsibility for the economic and social disadvantages that the individual Maori on the bottom of the heap continue to suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davflaws View Post
    .....responsibility for the economic and social disadvantages that the individual Maori on the bottom of the heap continue to suffer.
    And where do individual responsibilities lie with the Maoris to take advantage of all the services already provided by the country for their well being?

    Smoking?

    Drinking?

    Poor Diet?

    Drug taking?

    Child abuse?

    Gang culture?

    Guess they want the country to provide all the above too huh?

    Oh sorry .... they are already providing all the above for themselves!!!!!

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    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...HPTHNH5MJ4F2M/

    Budget Day: Winston Peters takes aim at Te Pāti Māori’s promotion of protests, use of pistol imagery, ‘racial division’



    Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters has taken aim at Te Pāti Māori, calling them “radical extremists” and accusing them stoking racial division.

    Peters was responding to Te Pāti Māori’s promotion of the nationwide protests planned for Budget Day and comments made in recent days by party MPs. He criticised the use of imagery of pistols in the protest’s advertising on social media, saying “make no mistake, racial division is exactly what they want, not unity.”

    “They don’t want democracy, they want anarchy,” Peters said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    And where do individual responsibilities lie with the Maoris to take advantage of all the services already provided by the country for their well being?

    Smoking?

    Drinking?

    Poor Diet?

    Drug taking?

    Child abuse?

    Gang culture?

    Guess they want the country to provide all the above too huh?

    Oh sorry .... they are already providing all the above for themselves!!!!!
    And negative attitude to education and progress.

    Hence their inability to send their kids to school as evidenced by their truancy rate.

    Can't have the kids turning out more intelligent than them eh?

    Damn colonials!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nztx View Post
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politi...HPTHNH5MJ4F2M/

    Budget Day: Winston Peters takes aim at Te Pāti Māori’s promotion of protests, use of pistol imagery, ‘racial division’
    Yes they are an extreme. They take the most extreme interpretation of TOW etc and keep going even though the solutions they want (separate this, separate that) are unworkable and could never be accepted by the majority. Most Maori, so far as I am aware, don’t want that.

    I do feel that the Maori who hitch their wagon to these clowns really do themselves a disservice. They ultimately harm themselves longer term, though they cannot see it in the moment.

    The modern day LP along with the MP and Greens hold Maori back with their handouts, preferential treatment and racially divisive policies. But they suits them politically as without the ‘downtrodden’ they would not get enough votes.

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