Israel - Gaza - Palestine CONFLICT

[Joshuatree]

All is fair in war & love.

A rat bites a cat and expects to live?

The naivety that Israel would allow Hamas to hide amongst civilians after committing rape, gross violence, mass slaughter and kidnapping grandmothers to be hostages & human shields - it is beyond comprehension!

War is hell and the Palestinian people can blame Hamas for bringing this war into their midst.

70 years of oppression with no hope of change.Israel is completely responsible for what has happened.

[nztx]

70 years of oppression with no hope of change.Israel is completely responsible for what has happened.

A bit like saying Ukraine is completely responsible for what Russia is doing to them isn't it ?

or maybe not, or it doesn't suit the narative / spin

[Daytr]

A bit like saying Ukraine is completely responsible for what Russia is doing to them isn't it ?

or maybe not, or it doesn't suit the narative / spin

No it's the opposite. The persecutors being Israel. The invader being Israel.

[Balance]

Was that in Palestinian territories amoung 2 million people being persecuted and starved?
Does it make you an expert?
Does that make you a judge of what is right & wrong?

So the US doesn't abide by international conventions. No kidding, they are backing Israel.

So Iran & the Houthi do not abide by international conventions and no kidding, they are backing Hamas.

That's your opinion that 2m people are being persecuted and starved - it's war and in war, there are casualties.

Israel will squeeze (as it is entitled to) the Palestinians until Hamas is destroyed.

They want food and peace - Hamas lay down their arms. Very simple.

[Daytr]

So Iran & the Houthi do not abide by international conventions and no kidding, they are backing Hamas.

That's your opinion that 2m people are being persecuted and starved - it's war and in war, there are casualties.

Israel will squeeze (as it is entitled to) the Palestinians until Hamas is destroyed.

They want food and peace - Hamas lay down their arms. Very simple.

How about Israel gives back Palestinian land?
If Hamas lays down their arms, Israel will just take what they want and keep invading land that is not theirs and evicting people out of their homes. Israel has never abided the agreements reached back in the 2000s or other agreements prior. They have just continued to take more & more Palestinian land.

Anyone that targets civilians in war needs to be held to account. Anyone who invades another's territory needs also to be held to account.

[nztx]

No it's the opposite. The persecutors being Israel. The invader being Israel.

Hang on a moment .. who did the persecuting & provoking on 7 Oct last knowing full well what might likely happen & likely consequences ?

[nztx]

How about Israel gives back Palestinian land?
If Hamas lays down their arms, Israel will just take what they want and keep invading land that is not theirs and evicting people out of their homes. Israel has never abided the agreements reached back in the 2000s or other agreements prior. They have just continued to take more & more Palestinian land.

Anyone that targets civilians in war needs to be held to account. Anyone who invades another's territory needs also to be held to account.

Probably a long history of what they have seen & been on the receiving end from the other lot across the border

Must be slow learners over there after seeing what happened in 1967 and the border up the other way where
things are equally as poor as church mice & another bunch of nice peaceloving bods hang out in practice sessions with their pea shooters


You're not suggesting trusting Hama's after what has happened ?
How long will any temporary resolution based on that last before they get back to their same old habits ?
How many temporary resolutions already have there been in past and where did each of them lead ?


Nothing like provoking things greatly then crying loudly when things turn badly to sh*t

Hama's & the rest of the aligned factions probably should have known better

[Daytr]

Hang on a moment .. who did the persecuting & provoking on 7 Oct last knowing full well what might likely happen & likely consequences ?

I have stated on multiple occasions what an atrocity that was.
It doesn't give Israel the right to murder thousands & thousands of children.
That is one date in a long series of abuses by both sides, none more horrific than the killing of over 30,000 people mostly civilians.

Balance & it sounds like you think the slaughter of 10s of thousands is justified, which I find appalling.

How many people 1000s of people have Israel thrown out of their homes and Israeli settlers have moved in over the last 20 years.
In anyone else's book that's termed an invasion.

[Balance]

I have stated on multiple occasions what an atrocity that was.
It doesn't give Israel the right to murder thousands & thousands of children.
That is one date in a long series of abuses by both sides, none more horrific than the killing of over 30,000 people mostly civilians.

Balance & it sounds like you think the slaughter of 10s of thousands is justified, which I find appalling.

How many people 1000s of people have Israel thrown out of their homes and Israeli settlers have moved in over the last 20 years.
In anyone else's book that's termed an invasion.

Strong word - murder but the more appropriate description is casualties of war.

And who started this war?

The Oct 7th atrocity gave Israel the right and in fact, total justification to go after Hamas.

Hamas chose to use civilians as human shields - that’s not Israel’s problem or fault.

There is little justification for civilian deaths but the onus is on Hamas to protect civilians - not hide behind them. The fact that they do means deaths (be them terrorists or civilians) are on Hamas’ heads.

Strip away all the BS and spin from Hamas & the woke leftists like Chloe Swarbrick out there and there it is - Hamas putting civilians in harm’s way.

And anyone who accepts Hamas’ figures about casualties is a fool.

Remember that Hamas diverted the billions of dollars of aid into building tunnels and armaments. That’s how trustworthy and reliable they are.

[Daytr]

Strong word - murder but the more appropriate description is casualties of war.

And who started this war?

The Oct 7th atrocity gave Israel the right and in fact, total justification to go after Hamas.

Hamas chose to use civilians as human shields - that’s not Israel’s problem or fault.

There is little justification for civilian deaths but the onus is on Hamas to protect civilians - not hide behind them. The fact that they do means deaths (be them terrorists or civilians) are on Hamas’ heads.

Strip away all the BS and spin from Hamas & the woke leftists like Chloe Swarbrick out there and there it is - Hamas putting civilians in harm’s way.

And anyone who accepts Hamas’ figures about casualties is a fool.

Remember that Hamas diverted the billions of dollars of aid into building tunnels and armaments. That’s how trustworthy and reliable they are.

The Palestinians could fight them with an army if they were allowed one, but Israel prevents that. Israel prevents virtually every freedom for all Palestinians, that most people have.

How can Hamas fight an invading force that is equipped by the US? Guerrilla warfare is their only option & Israel have occupied the Palestinian territory for decades, not just since October.

They are not casualties of war, they are targeted attacks by Isareal where there are known mass civilian populations and Israel keeps doing it, over & over again.

What can Israel do to stop Hamas? Abide the treaty set out 20 years ago & the two state proposal and leave the Palestinian territory.
Allow Palestinians to have a political voice and have the rights that other nations have.

Might is not right, persecution enmasse breeds terrorism and or freedom fighters.