Israel - Gaza - Palestine CONFLICT

[Daytr]

Lest not forget that the ANC was, and still is, a hard left (communist) ridden organisation. No wonder they are as quiet as church mice when it comes to decrying Putin's Ukraine atrocities.

Barbaric, murder, genocide. All hideous words that aptly fit with the ANC and their supporters, who deployed, with total impunity, the deplorable fear tactic of "necklacing". Many, many folk slaughtered & maimed in "hot" blood.

Double standards?

If the shoe was on the other foot, a question would be; how would you, the media, UN etc react? Any differently to the Israel/Hamas situation? Whose side would folk then gravitate to, or would they remain steadfast on some deeper principles? Like the principle that any country should being able to defend, respond and take necessary action, to stop any aggressor's physical attacks (including for any overtly stated planned attacks).


(NB. Numbers below adjusted in proportion to Israel's population)
E.g. If terrorists from Namibia raided South Africa and killed 7,500 Sth African's & kidnapped another 1575 innocent.
If militants from Ukraine raided Russia and killed 18,300 Russians & kidnapped another 3,800 innocent.
If radicals from NZ raided Aussie and killed 3,300 Australians & kidnapped another 675 citizens.

Do you think South Africa, Russia or Australia would & should just sit idly and not take any action?

Lest not forget the oppression of Black & Coloured South Africans during apartheid.

A little bit one sided view don't you think?
Is SA which is basically governed by the ANC communist? No.
Russia saw an opportunity to back the the ANC.
Russia itself is not now communist.
I'm not a fan at all of Putin, but he is smart and will find holes in the West's hypocrisy and exploit it.

Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist or freedom fighter?

No doubt SA has issues, but look at the beacon of the West, the USA & their domestic issues.

[whatsup]

Lest not forget the oppression of Black & Coloured South Africans during apartheid.

A little bit one sided view don't you think?
Is SA which is basically governed by the ANC communist? No.
Russia saw an opportunity to back the the ANC.
Russia itself is not now communist.
I'm not a fan at all of Putin, but he is smart and will find holes in the West's hypocrisy and exploit it.

Was Nelson Mandela a terrorist or freedom fighter?

No doubt SA has issues, but look at the beacon of the West, the USA & their domestic issues.

Some could say that the majority of the S A blacks were better under the previous govt apart from the vote thingy !!

[dln]

Omar Suleiman on the Lex Fridman podcast.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oFSyNdQf5uk

[Blue Skies]

World leaders are warning of an unspeakable catastrophe if Netanyahu's govt & the IDF go ahead with this Rafah offensive.
Something like 1.5 million people mostly women & children who have been displaced from their bombed homes & told to move to Rafah by Israel, now sitting ducks about to be bombed again with no where to go.

Can anyone explain how evangelical Christians, & the Christofascists in the US, can declare abortion of an unborn foetus is murder, while stopping funding aid to the UNWRA which is going to cause thousands of starving people, there are literally hundreds of thousands of starving Palestinian children, to die.

And how they can continue to supply another round of $billions of weapons to Israel after they've already slaughtered over 28,000 people in 3 months ?

And isn't it just a coincidence that on exactly the same day the UN International Court of Justice (the highest court in the world) issues its rulings including ordering Israel to avoid genocide & other war crimes, Israel comes out with allegations, which still no evidence has been provided for, that 9 or 12 staff of the 30,000 employees of UNWRA were involved in the Oct 7th atrocities.
An organisation on which Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, Jordan, Syria & Lebanon depend & which has been under attack from Israel for decades.
And on the same day, switching the focus from Israel's war crimes to the UN.

Even if this was true, if we boycotted any organisation of 30,000 employees which had a handful of employees who had committed a criminal activity, we wouldn't have any organisations left.

But still no evidence has been provided.
US's Anthony Blinken said "we haven't had the ability to investigate the allegations ourselves, but they came from credible sources." Meaning we're just relying totally on Netanyahu's word.


https://www.aljazeera.com

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/10/m...ion/index.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveb...-assault-looms

[Balance]

October 7th massacre by Hamas.

That’s all you need to know, BS.

[FTG]

The UN (UNWRA) now have a far bigger issue/blood on their hands. Further significant reputational damage likely.

Breaking news earlier this morning...

Hidden deep & directly below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency here is a Hamas complex with rows of computer servers that Israel’s armed forces say served as an important communications center and intelligence hub for HamasPart of a warren of tunnels and subterranean chambers carved from the Gaza Strip’s sandy soil, the compound below the United Nations Relief and Works Agency buildings in Gaza City appears to have run on electricity drawn from the U.N.’s power supply, Israeli officials said.

A WSJ reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week. A tunnel also appeared to pass beneath a U.N.-run school near the headquarters.

Journalists who accompanied the Israeli military to Gaza City’s heavily damaged al-Rimal neighborhood in northern Gaza were shown the Hamas tunnel network, which snaked for about a half-mile beneath U.N. and other buildings in the area.

NZ MSM (& Aljazeera) so far keeping quiet as mice on this. Wonder why?

[Blue Skies]

The UN (UNWRA) now have a far bigger issue/blood on their hands. Further significant reputational damage likely.

Breaking news earlier this morning...

Hidden deep & directly below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency here is a Hamas complex with rows of computer servers that Israel’s armed forces say served as an important communications center and intelligence hub for HamasPart of a warren of tunnels and subterranean chambers carved from the Gaza Strip’s sandy soil, the compound below the United Nations Relief and Works Agency buildings in Gaza City appears to have run on electricity drawn from the U.N.’s power supply, Israeli officials said.

A WSJ reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week. A tunnel also appeared to pass beneath a U.N.-run school near the headquarters.

Journalists who accompanied the Israeli military to Gaza City’s heavily damaged al-Rimal neighborhood in northern Gaza were shown the Hamas tunnel network, which snaked for about a half-mile beneath U.N. and other buildings in the area.

NZ MSM (& Aljazeera) so far keeping quiet as mice on this. Wonder why?

There are 183 UNRWA schools in Gaza.
There's over 500 kilometres of tunnels in a vast network known colloquially as the Gaza Metro, some up to 50 meters below the surface.
Gaza is a tiny area, is it surprising some tunnels would pass under UNWRA buildings?
I don't think so.
After months of bombing, 80% of the tunnels are still intact.

[FTG]

Gaza is a tiny area, is it surprising some tunnels would pass under UNWRA buildings?
I don't think so.

Oh my BS. It continues to amaze me how much you relentlessly (well, at least you are consistent with your MO) only see & acknowledge that which you want to see & acknowledge. It seems that anything actually real, that doesn't fit into the script/ (left) narrative, gets diminished, ignored, dismissed, erased or even cancelled.

Let's revert to the facts, as reported & evidenced (photographed & filmed) by a gaggle of different journalists, this week. The evidence is overwhelmingly VERY clear. This ain't some "innocent, random & nebulous" tunnel that coincidentally passes under or near a UNRWA building, as you imply.

Instead we have a Hamas built, fully fitted-out & operated nerve-center, just 50 metres or so, directly under the UNRWA HQ. Yes, granted, there are also a few tunnels in the immediate vicinity..............interconnected with, leading to & from said Hamas key nerve-center.

Now if one was to give the UNRWA the benefit of the doubt, one could say that Hamas deliberately built under the UNRWA HQ (which by the way had already been based in that same location for many years) purely for self-interest (Hamas - "Israel won't bomb the UN"). All without uttering a single boo to the UN folk.

Top Brass at the UNRWA wouldn't know, right?

Wrong. This Hamas Hub was built directly under the HQ. Just 50 metres remember, so the vibrations & noise etc reverberating through the building would not be insignificant, all whilst UNRWA occupied the building, not to mention all the comings & goings in a supposedly secure building. Furthermore, & critically, the power infrastructure required to operate this Hamas key hub (film & photo evidence from the journalists clearly shows multiple Server stacks, Battery reserves, cooling etc) was significant. Where did Hamas procure that power - we ain't talking just a couple of 10amp plugs!? Yip easy, just talk to your fellow martyrs 50 metres above and hook directly into the UNRWA building's power infrastructure. Oh my, can you imagine the spike on the Power Bill for the taxpayer funded UNRWA!

What about other services (e.g. water, ICT infrastructure), a genuinely curious person may ask. Need I answer? Remember, its all there, on tap, just 50 metres or so away, courtesy of ...

[Joshuatree]

I don't believe anything the Israelis say they are the same ilk as the Russians ,blatant continuos lying.Like the Hama's under the hospital miszruths.After decades and decades of oppression Israel is just turbo charging the growing disbelief and horror and hate for their nation.

[Balance]

I don't believe anything the Israelis say they are the same ilk as the Russians ,blatant continuos lying.Like the Hama's under the hospital miszruths.After decades and decades of oppression Israel is just turbo charging the growing disbelief and horror and hate for their nation.

And of course Oct 7th massacre by Hamas never happened.