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30-01-2019, 11:12 AM
#1971
Originally Posted by bull....
everyones so busy talking and investing in oca lol they havent noticed ift has been kicking all time highs. been much better way to make money
Biggest position here, up over 18% this Fy
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30-01-2019, 11:23 AM
#1972
Originally Posted by bull....
everyones so busy talking and investing in oca lol they havent noticed ift has been kicking all time highs. been much better way to make money
I noticed it but not sure what's driving the volumes and upward price. Do you happen to know what's behind it?
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30-01-2019, 01:46 PM
#1973
Originally Posted by huxley
Biggest position here, up over 18% this Fy
65%
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30-01-2019, 01:54 PM
#1974
Originally Posted by kiora
65%
Oh nice, I’m more like 29%
Still v happy with the results
There’s normally an investor update in late Jan early Feb
Last edited by huxley; 30-01-2019 at 01:56 PM.
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30-01-2019, 11:10 PM
#1975
Originally Posted by bull....
everyones so busy talking and investing in oca lol they havent noticed ift has been kicking all time highs. been much better way to make money
IMO, Shares go in and out of fashion....perhaps it is in the long-term folder (along with AIA and RYM?)
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31-01-2019, 04:46 AM
#1976
Originally Posted by Bjauck
IMO, Shares go in and out of fashion....perhaps it is in the long-term folder (along with AIA and RYM?)
AIR & RYM are cyclical businesses.Have you got a parachute?
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31-01-2019, 06:20 AM
#1977
Originally Posted by Mickey
I noticed it but not sure what's driving the volumes and upward price. Do you happen to know what's behind it?
fisher funds been buying earlier also technical breakout of long term top will have caused more buyers to enter + the re - org of there portfolio (ift) is positive for growth
one step ahead of the herd
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31-01-2019, 06:39 AM
#1978
Originally Posted by kiora
AIR & RYM are cyclical businesses.Have you got a parachute?
Both AIA and RYM have provided long-term returns exceeding those from the NZX50.
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31-01-2019, 08:46 AM
#1979
Originally Posted by bull....
everyones so busy talking and investing in oca lol they havent noticed ift has been kicking all time highs. been much better way to make money
True - hindsight would be an excellent guide, if we could go back in time ;, but thanks for the reminder.
Looking however forward - it looks to me that the market overvalues IFT at the moment. SP is around analyst consensus, and analyst consensus is for my feeling anyway a bit high for this share. Average backward PE is 14, average forward PE is nearly 23. Growth (revenue and / or earnings) is not existent - and let's face it, which of their investments is likely to make in the short term outstanding capital gains? TPW is a boring gentailer and currently more at the upper price boundary. Their alternative energy investments may or may not bear fruit in a decade or two - and I never understood anyway what brought them into student accomodation. Does not sound like an easy money spinner to me. And their datacentres? Well, not that hard for competiton to build some as well if datacentres are the cash cows of the future (which I doubt).
So - sure, they will keep making some money, but to justify their current SP they would need plenty of sustainable growth. Not sure I see where this is supposed to come from.
I trust you are selling?
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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31-01-2019, 09:19 AM
#1980
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
True - hindsight would be an excellent guide, if we could go back in time ;, but thanks for the reminder.
Looking however forward - it looks to me that the market overvalues IFT at the moment. SP is around analyst consensus, and analyst consensus is for my feeling anyway a bit high for this share. Average backward PE is 14, average forward PE is nearly 23. Growth (revenue and / or earnings) is not existent - and let's face it, which of their investments is likely to make in the short term outstanding capital gains? TPW is a boring gentailer and currently more at the upper price boundary. Their alternative energy investments may or may not bear fruit in a decade or two - and I never understood anyway what brought them into student accomodation. Does not sound like an easy money spinner to me. And their datacentres? Well, not that hard for competiton to build some as well if datacentres are the cash cows of the future (which I doubt).
So - sure, they will keep making some money, but to justify their current SP they would need plenty of sustainable growth. Not sure I see where this is supposed to come from.
I trust you are selling?
Aw Blackpeter, I remember you making the same investment case back when the stock was trending down back in late 2016. My only regret is not purchasing more at NZD 2.70
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