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    [QUOTE=Ogg;711459]
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGrogan View Post

    Basically yeah. The product itself has massive hype and speculation over it's healing properties and health benefits. Hence why the share price should be valued the same.

    Here's my call on Tegal back in 2016 when it was trading at twice today's price: https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showth...l=1#post611620

    Tegal has to compete, Comvita is a monopoly.
    Whatever you say mate....YAWN https://www.hukahoneyhive.com/shopping.html Just one of many, many other manuka honey producers out there selling their wares...suppose they're all worth 35 times their earnings too. Good luck.
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    Whatever you say mate....YAWN https://www.hukahoneyhive.com/shopping.html Just one of many, many other manuka honey producers out there selling their wares...suppose they're all worth 35 times their earnings too.
    lol, that's like giving me a link for Yahoo search vs Google.

    Look at the "about us page", ma and pa operation: https://www.hukahoneyhive.com/about-us.html

    On second thought, Comvita would actually appreciate that, no need for anti-trust regulation....

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    http://www.purenewzealandhoney.com/ I could keep posting links all day if I had the time or thought it would do any good but I will leave it at that as you are perfectly entitled to your point of view and good luck with that.
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    [QUOTE=Ogg;711459]
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGrogan View Post

    Basically yeah. The product itself has massive hype and speculation over it's healing properties and health benefits. Hence why the share price should be valued the same.

    Here's my call on Tegal back in 2016 when it was trading at twice today's price: https://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showth...l=1#post611620

    Tegal has to compete, Comvita is a monopoly.
    What's your call on TGH got to do with anything being discussed here? The SP of CVT has pretty much done as bad as TGH over the last 2 years.

    Fair enough if you want to apply that valuation criteria to your investment, I just thought it was ignorant to tell people that earnings are irrelevant for this company.

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    Well considering they have a virtual monopoly they have certainly screwed up!

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    So valuable they had to hock off some of the family silver last year to shore up the business
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    With all this talk of premiumness, moats, monopoly, optionality, billions of Chinese consumers, etc etc you would think the compoany would be spewing out cash from operations

    Far from it as chart below shows - CVT a real cash burner (2018 is onlyH1). Last 5 1/2 years negative cash flows of $36m

    Add to that another $57m of plant and intangibes and they have burned through heaps eh

    Company value or intrinsic value is the NPV of future cash flows ..... whats going to change .....hmmm

    Book value $186m and market cap over $300m ....hmm again

    Hope you only in for the big takeover ogg
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    With all this talk of premiumness, moats, monopoly, optionality, billions of Chinese consumers, etc etc you would think the compoany would be spewing out cash from operations

    Far from it as chart below shows - CVT a real cash burner (2018 is onlyH1). Last 5 1/2 years negative cash flows of $36m

    Add to that another $57m of plant and intangibes and they have burned through heaps eh

    Company value or intrinsic value is the NPV of future cash flows ..... whats going to change .....hmmm

    Book value $186m and market cap over $300m ....hmm again

    Hope you only in for the big takeover ggcc
    Don't care, buying more today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogg View Post
    Don't care, buying more today.
    Backing up the truck, so to speak?

    Good luck & all the best. Just remember to only buy what you can afford to lose (as with any other investment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    With all this talk of premiumness, moats, monopoly, optionality, billions of Chinese consumers, etc etc you would think the compoany would be spewing out cash from operations

    Far from it as chart below shows - CVT a real cash burner (2018 is onlyH1). Last 5 1/2 years negative cash flows of $36m

    Add to that another $57m of plant and intangibes and they have burned through heaps eh

    Company value or intrinsic value is the NPV of future cash flows ..... whats going to change .....hmmm

    Book value $186m and market cap over $300m ....hmm again

    Hope you only in for the big takeover ggcc
    Its a shocker in more ways than one isn't it ! I reckon a pig dog with mange and fleas is more attractive lol
    Really...the CEO has to go, he clearly has no idea...
    Last edited by Beagle; 18-04-2018 at 11:10 AM.
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