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04-05-2018, 06:16 PM
#8361
When is MSCI thing happening
Need something to get back over 14 bucks heading towards 15 bucks
Phenomenal performed already priced in I fear so these external factors to give the share price a decent bump.
Been a bit slack the last 2 months or so hasn’t it.
Last edited by winner69; 04-05-2018 at 06:18 PM.
“ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”
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04-05-2018, 07:10 PM
#8362
Originally Posted by winner69
When is MSCI thing happening
Need something to get back over 14 bucks heading towards 15 bucks
Phenomenal performed already priced in I fear so these external factors to give the share price a decent bump.
Been a bit slack the last 2 months or so hasn’t it.
14 May announcement, takes effect 1 June.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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04-05-2018, 08:55 PM
#8363
Originally Posted by Beagle
14 May announcement, takes effect 1 June.
Rumour/speculation or a given
How much of a boost will it give the share price?
“ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”
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04-05-2018, 09:20 PM
#8364
Originally Posted by winner69
Rumour/speculation or a given
How much of a boost will it give the share price?
Almost certain IMO, NZ's biggest company will have to take the place of MCY, index funds will have to buy in and the other companies will have to be rebalanced, ie sold down. SP will increase after the announcement, but race day will be June 1st.
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04-05-2018, 09:24 PM
#8365
Originally Posted by winner69
Rumour/speculation or a given
How much of a boost will it give the share price?
MSCI Index inclusion is a given in my opinion. Its hard to answer the latter question but 5 - 20% is my best guess.
I'm not pulling that 20% out of thin air. Fact is CVT and PPH both went up ~ 20% when they went into the NZX50 so index inclusion can have a serious effect on the SP.
Also with ATM being NZ's biggest company I would expect a large percentage allocation in the MSCI so we could see really substantial buying.
A new all time high wouldn't surprise me on 1 June.
I also think a lot of weak hands sold in the recent high volatility so we're down to the committed holders now
That said this index change has had a very fulsome discussion in the media and on here and one wonders if some of the potential gain isn't already in the SP.
Last edited by Beagle; 05-05-2018 at 11:25 AM.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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05-05-2018, 08:45 AM
#8366
Originally Posted by couta1
Almost certain IMO, NZ's biggest company will have to take the place of MCY, index funds will have to buy in and the other companies will have to be rebalanced, ie sold down. SP will increase after the announcement, but race day will be June 1st.
So race day share price at least $14 and if I was as bullish/exhuberent as sb9 pretty close to $15
Sounds cool
“ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”
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05-05-2018, 11:26 AM
#8367
Originally Posted by Beagle
MSCI Index inclusion is a given in my opinion. Its hard to answer the latter question but 5 - 20% is my best guess.
I'm not pulling that 20% out of thin air. Fact is CVT and PPH both went up ~ 20% when they went into the NZX50 so index inclusion can have a serious effect on the SP.
Also with ATM being NZ's biggest company I would expect a large percentage allocation in the MSCI so we could see really substantial buying.
A new all time high wouldn't surprise me on 1 June.
I also think a lot of weak hands sold in the recent high volatility so we're down to the committed holders now
Hmm that will create a dilemma, whether to sell if an all time high is reached, or continue to hold what is a stellar stock for the long haul. Given the high volatility of this stock it will be tempting to sell and buy back when the price drops....assuming it will! Hmmm
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05-05-2018, 11:35 AM
#8368
Originally Posted by RupertBear
Hmm that will create a dilemma, whether to sell if an all time high is reached, or continue to hold what is a stellar stock for the long haul. Given the high volatility of this stock it will be tempting to sell and buy back when the price drops....assuming it will! Hmmm
The danger if you sell is the company issuing a sales update later in June, (keep in mind their continuous disclosure requirements) and then you're snookered.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: “Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.”
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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05-05-2018, 12:41 PM
#8369
Originally Posted by RupertBear
Hmm that will create a dilemma, whether to sell if an all time high is reached, or continue to hold what is a stellar stock for the long haul. Given the high volatility of this stock it will be tempting to sell and buy back when the price drops....assuming it will! Hmmm
How would you feel if you out of ATM shares and you read a future announcements from Nestle, something like;
Nestle has secured a mayor new contract to produce a number of products for the A2 milk company in NZ. The board of Nestle is very pleased with entering into this new relationship and we expect this will help us with our growth in the coming years.
Maybe unlikely but who would have thought Fonterra would be a manufacturer for ATM a year ago?
Last edited by forest; 05-05-2018 at 01:33 PM.
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05-05-2018, 01:20 PM
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