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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    I wouldn't worry about it. It seems all dependent on SP hitting $2 sometime in the next year and I cant see that happening a long shot. Labour hire companies are popping up left right and center at the moment.

    Theres a good chance the Triangular employment relations bill will get passed soon (its past its second reading) and the impact of the increase in the Minimum Adult Wage has yet to be reported. Headwinds ahead.
    Snoopy buying heaps might get share price up to 2 bucks
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Snoopy buying heaps might get share price up to 2 bucks
    Mission improbable.?..lol.

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    I think the announcement said they made a miserly $2m this year but because things are so honky dory the divie won’t be cut and next year is going to be a real boomer

    http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...227/300787.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Jeez. A year ago you could have bought a share for $1.85. And for the risk they return a net profit of $0.06 and a share reduced to $1.70. Why would you bother.
    Because on a normalised result F19 was pretty good growth ......and this time next year the share price will be $2.30 odd and you would have collected a divie or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    I'll have to look closer for the good words this year
    Have you got that telescope trained on AWF HQ Minimoke? That's the only way you will get to see this years weasel words in the result, as no Annual Report has been released and it is already July. Granted we are only one week later in the AR publication date schedule than in previous years. But in the last five years shareholders have been able to peruse the Annual Report before the DRP share price is set. Not so this year, as AWF have announced that DRP price is $1.82. There has been no chance for the market to react to the full year accounts, so it is hard to know if that $1.82 price is fair. Superficially as a DRP participant I am happy, but only as happy as a mushroom shareholder can be. I expect more timely disclosure from management than we have received this 2019.

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    Default Updating the banking covenants (FY2019 perspective)

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    Financial Year 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 (estimate)
    EBITDA (Snoopy produced *) {B} $12.729m $11.945m $12.751m $11.751m $10.304m
    Finance Cost {C} $2.109m $1.333m $1.193m $1.297m $1.274m
    Interest Coverage {B}/{C} (target >3) 6.0 9.0 10.7 9.0 8.1
    Net Bank Debt {D} $18.608m $21.870m $32.383m $29.731m $27.331m
    Leverage ratio {D}/{B} (target <3) 1.5 1.8 2.5 2.5 2.7

    (* I calculated EBITDA from the income statement using the formula: EBITDA = NPBT + I + DA)

    The table below has been used to calculate the covenant figures for the composite twelve months made up from the second half year of FY2018 and the first half year of FY2019.

    Financial Year HY2018 2018 2HY2018 {A} HY2019 {B} 2HY2018+HY2019 {A}+{B}
    EBITDA (Snoopy produced *) {B} $7.093m $11.751m $4.652m $5.152m $9.810m
    Finance Cost {C} $0.741m $1.297m $0.556m $0.637m $1.193m
    Interest Coverage {B}/{C} (target >3) NM 9.0 NM NM 8.2
    Net Bank Debt {D} $23.183m $29.731m $29.731m $27.331m $27.331m
    Leverage ratio {D}/{B} (target <3) NM 2.5 NM NM 2.8

    That EBITDA banking debt covenant is still a worry. We are getting close to that bank ceiling of 3 and still well away from the management target of 2. Nevertheless it looks like things have turned the corner!
    The actual figures are out for FY2019 and I have been proved wrong in my estimates.

    Financial Year 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019
    EBITDA (Snoopy produced *) {B} $12.729m $11.945m $12.751m $11.751m $7.679m
    Finance Cost {C} $2.109m $1.333m $1.193m $1.297m $1.380m
    Interest Coverage {B}/{C} (target >3) 6.0 9.0 10.7 9.0 5.6
    Net Bank Debt {D} $18.608m $21.870m $32.383m $29.731m $26.643m
    Leverage ratio {D}/{B} (target <3) 1.5 1.8 2.5 2.5 3.5

    (* I calculated EBITDA from the income statement using the formula: EBITDA = NPBT + I + DA)

    The table below has been used to calculate the covenant figures for the composite twelve months made up from the second half year of FY2018 and the first half year of FY2019.

    Financial Year HY2018 2018 2HY2018 {A} HY2019 {B} 2HY2018+HY2019 {A}+{B}
    EBITDA (Snoopy produced *) {B} $7.093m $11.751m $4.652m $5.152m $9.810m
    Finance Cost {C} $0.741m $1.297m $0.556m $0.637m $1.193m
    Interest Coverage {B}/{C} (target >3) NM 9.0 NM NM 8.2
    Net Bank Debt {D} $23.183m $29.731m $29.731m $27.331m $27.331m
    Leverage ratio {D}/{B} (target <3) NM 2.5 NM NM 2.8

    That EBITDA banking debt covenant has been broken for FY2019! No comment I can see in the annual report about this, other than:

    "The banking facilities require the group to operate within defined financial undertakings. The group has complied with all covenant requirements during the year."

    The above statement appears to be untrue! Perhaps paying down $3m of the once $36m debt is enough to keep the ASB satisfied?

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    Default Minimum Debt Repayment Period: EOFY2015 to EOFY2019

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    Net Bank debt in the FY2018 results announcement is as follows:

    FY2018
    Cash & Cash Equivalents: {A} $6.269m
    Non Current Borrowings: $36.000m
    less Current Borrowings: $0.000m
    less Overdraft: $0.000m
    equals Total Borrowings: {B} $36.000m
    Total Net Borrowings: {B} - {A} $29.731m
    Net profit after tax {C} $5.153m
    MDRT {B} - {A} / (C} 5.8 years


    The net debt has gone down, but the ability to repay debt has gone down as well :-(. I do prefer this figure to be less than five years. But with the DRP, AWF have taken measures to reduce debt going forwards. The debt situation should continue top be monitored. But there is nothing here to make me tuurn off my investment tap based on this information.
    Shocked at the apparent breaking of AWF's banking covenants, I have decided to look at AWF's debt issues from another angle. 'MDRT' is the answer to the question:

    "If all profits for the year were put towards paying off the company's debts, how long would that take?"

    My rule of thumb for the answer in years is:

    years < 2: Company has low debt
    2< years <5: Company has medium debt
    5< years <10: Company has high debt
    years >10: Company debt is cause for concern


    FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018 FY2019
    Cash & Cash Equivalents: {A} $3.151m $0.0m $1.225m $6.269m $6.357m
    Non Current Borrowings: $0.0m $18.500m $18.500m $36.000m $33.000m
    add Current Borrowings: $21.759m $2.500m $0.0m $0.0m $0.0m
    add Overdraft: $0.0m $0.870m $0.108m $0.0m $0.0m
    equals Total Borrowings: {B} $21.759m $21.870m $18.608m $36.000m $33.000m
    Total Net Borrowings: {B} - {A} $18.608m $21.870m $17.323m $29.731m $26.643m
    Net profit declared {C} $5.416m $5.202m $5.867m $5.048m $2.013m
    MDRT ({B} - {A}) / (C} 3.4 years 4.2 years 3.0 years 5.8 years 13.2 years

    I am still shocked. And here is the Chairman;s excuse (p2 AR2019)

    "We have suffered in the construction sector, where the level of client failure in the face of their own dealings with major construction firms has caught AWF with high bad debt levels. These losses are the greatest we have experienced in more than 30 years dealing in the sector."

    But will things get better in FY2020?

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