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    Quote Originally Posted by robbo24 View Post
    https://www.nzx.com/companies/PEB/announcements/258642

    Wow, Superlife have been buying the s*** out of PEB.
    Another Gaynor with DIL? Or a Zeta with NZO? Only time shall tell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbo24 View Post
    https://www.nzx.com/companies/PEB/announcements/258642

    Wow, Superlife have been buying the s*** out of PEB.
    Quote Originally Posted by BFG View Post
    Another Gaynor with DIL? Or a Zeta with NZO? Only time shall tell!
    No & No

    Read this and then work it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper Tiger View Post
    No & No

    Read this and then work it out

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    Shouldn't just read the headlines should we PT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minerbarejet View Post
    Triage gives an accurate negative result, detect gives an accurate positive result.

    Given the oft quoted 10 percent of patients with haematuria having some form of bladder cancer it would be best to get the 90 percent of true negatives off the books first,
    freeing up facilities and clinicians.
    Yes, Triage must be better than Detect for saying you don't have it. If triage comes back negative then there is a 98% probability that you don't have it. If Detect says you don't have it, then there is a 97% probability that you don't have it. So, not much better then? Perhaps the difference is in the overall sensitivities, but I'm not sure what that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satan View Post
    Yes, Triage must be better than Detect for saying you don't have it. If triage comes back negative then there is a 98% probability that you don't have it. If Detect says you don't have it, then there is a 97% probability that you don't have it. So, not much better then? Perhaps the difference is in the overall sensitivities, but I'm not sure what that means.
    I knew it would take over 12000 posts and 'satan' to start talking product as a factor in commercial success. Is a knife better or a sword? It's about trade-offs between sensitivity and specificity when perfect diagnosis is not possible. Triage helps you find those who you are most confident in to be true positives and they can go straight under the knife.
    The rest you can keep assessing before deciding on invasive procedures.

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    Detect says levels are normal, there are elevated levels that may need evaluation or you have a positive indication to the degree indicated.
    Detect does not say you dont have it but if it says you do have bladder cancer you can be pretty sure its right.
    Triage does not say you do have it but if it says you dont have bladder cancer you can be pretty sure its right
    Something like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casino View Post
    Triage helps you find those who you are most confident in to be true positives and they can go straight under the knife.
    The rest you can keep assessing before deciding on invasive procedures.
    No, I think triage is to pick out those that clearly don't have it. It has high negative predictive power. I'm just pointing out that so does Detect, and they are apparently the same technology. That doesn't mean they don't have commercial potential - I hope they do, although I am not currently holding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by satan View Post
    No, I think triage is to pick out those that clearly don't have it. It has high negative predictive power. I'm just pointing out that so does Detect, and they are apparently the same technology. That doesn't mean they don't have commercial potential - I hope they do, although I am not currently holding.
    You may be right. It's the other way round and it let's you know the true negatives. It's been a while since I looked into it. So it helps you send those home who are fine. Insurers will love it.

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    Exclamation Uncertain on the facts but certain on conjecture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Casino View Post
    You may be right. It's the other way round and it let's you know the true negatives. It's been a while since I looked into it. So it helps you send those home who are fine. Insurers will love it.
    Except that Kaiser Permanente, as we have established today, are going to do a 2000 person trail to decide whether they will want to love it, or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paper Tiger View Post
    Except that Kaiser Permanente, as we have established today, are going to do a 2000 person trail to decide whether they will want to love it, or not.

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    You are right and thanks for calling me on it. Not communicating and updating the roadmap towards insurance coverage is my single biggest concern.

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