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    For those of you have not already left I heartily recommend you have a look at post #64 on the ''black Market' thread---For those who dont go back that far--Phaedrus' really had his head screwed on.

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    Cant find it ;can you refresh it skid?

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    Its on page 5 (post 64) of Black Monday thread--(sorry ,I never figured out how to copy a post from one thread and post it on another) link still works for me when I tried

    Disc--Its not to be taken personally but to learn from----Some of us have been through this before(if it continues) but of course ,alot hav'nt.
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    Thanx W69--your obviously better at computers than me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skid View Post
    Thanx W69--your obviously better at computers than me!
    That fooled you eh when the post disappeared .... this may be better

    Quote Originally Posted by KW View Post
    I heartily recommend everyone read the first post from this thread - http://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showthr...in-a-Downtrend

    Followed by http://www.sharetrader.co.nz/showthr...light=phaedrus
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Technically, Tricha, you would have to be classed as a slow learner! You make a habit of buying downtrending stocks and pay a very high price for your folly. Here is an example of the actions of people (not just you) that had "done their homework" and bought regardless of the fact that the stock in question was in a clear downtrend. We can all learn a lot from these ill-advised comments and actions.



    The posters here were so sure that they had assessed the fundamentals of this stock accurately that they were unwilling, indeed unable to accept that they had got it wrong. Some even bragged that they never used stop-losses! Month after month, their optimistic prognostications were crushed as the inexorable downtrend continued. They were in a hole but did they stop digging? No, they dug deeper, buying more and more, averaging down as the shareprice progressively collapsed. Throwing good money after bad. See how the posters influenced each other with their comments - threads like this become support groups for those that have all made the same mistake. The effects of "group think" are all too evident as they lead each other down the garden path.

    These "toxic" threads share many similarities and are quite easily identified. Here are a few pointers :-
    Watch for a preponderance of overly loyal extremely positive contributions.
    Any negative posters are "run off the thread".
    When negative posters are accused of "downramping" you can be sure that all objectivity has been lost.
    Look out for multitudinous "cut and paste" entries of scarcely relevant articles from the net.
    Beware of threads where anyone posting a negative comment is personally attacked.
    Dissenting views should be encouraged, not rubbished. We learn nothing from those that agree with us.
    Watch for comments on "ignorant" selling by institutions, techies etc - by people that think they know better.

    Typical key phrases :-
    I hope the price doesn't rise too much - I'm still buying.
    This stock is worth $xxx
    If it drops any more, I'm backing up the truck.
    I can't believe that the market has got this one so wrong.
    Have you noticed all those suspicious trades just at the close?
    I'm buying $1 for 50 cents.
    Why are you posting here if you don't hold this stock?
    Oh goody - the price has dropped. I can now buy more!
    The market is being manipulated by insiders.

    There are very important lessons to be learnt from disasters like this. In my opinion, the more obvious ones are :-
    (1) Don't buy stocks that are in a downtrend.
    (2) Don't buy without first setting a point at which you will accept that you have made a mistake.
    (3) When/if this point is hit, SELL. Immediately. You can always buy back when/if the trend reverses.
    (4) Never add to a losing position. Don't average down. EVER.
    (5) Be very careful not to get caught up in other peoples enthusiasm for a particular stock.
    (6) Meticulous calculations of a stocks "worth" are meaningless if the market disagrees with you.
    (7) Remenber, if your opinion is at variance with market sentiment, YOU are wrong, not the market!
    The post skid was referring too
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    and the other post

    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus View Post
    Until the market as a whole starts showing a little strength, it may well be best to be out of it altogether. Here is a chart of the NZSX50 Index, with 10 assorted technical indicators - how these are used is a very individual decision. Gung-ho players would leap back into the market just as soon as any one of these indicators indicated a change of sentiment. Conservative, cautious investors would wait for all 10 to be triggered before commiting any funds. I favour an incremental approach, investing 10% of my capital as each indicator is triggered. These signals are simply permission to invest - you don't have to act if you can't find anything you want to buy!

    Should you be unable to resist some of the "bargains" out there, just remember that buying while the market is falling is more risky than when it is rising, so any "premature" entries should be very closely monitored using short-term indicators and tight stops.

    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Hope that what you referring to skid
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    If there was a respect rating above 'he who posts the most' (guru or is it legend?), it would be called "Phaedrus". Not only was he brilliant, concise and enlightened, he also helped me understand and apply the value of TA.

    Respect.
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    Cant find it ;can you refresh it skid?

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