PEB - Pacific Edge Ltd

[Balance]

Southern DHB won't take up the FREE offer...…

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/d...stance-queried

Basic! PEB cannot even provide SDHB with the 'evidence' required and it is going all around the States trying to promote the product!

Just because it is free does not negate the requirement for basic due diligence and caution by health authorities - one would have thought that PEB knows better.

Excerpt :

''Pacific Edge have approached us in the past and the urology service has promoted the idea. To make this investigation suitable for funding by the public health system there needs to be evidence presented of safety, effectiveness and value for money and this was not provided at that time.''

Oh well, it's back to tick .... tick ....

Boom soon?

[bottomfeeder]

If you only arrived on earth today and looked at the efficacy of CX bladder, you might come to the conclusion it doesnt even work. After so many years in the public arena, you would think that they would have many peer reviewed scientific studies available to promote their product. Sounds like Wynyard all over again. As with Wynyard, the users were coming to the conclusion that better alternative price/efficacy products were available.

[Balance]

If you only arrived on earth today and looked at the efficacy of CX bladder, you might come to the conclusion it doesnt even work. After so many years in the public arena, you would think that they would have many peer reviewed scientific studies available to promote their product. Sounds like Wynyard all over again. As with Wynyard, the users were coming to the conclusion that better alternative price/efficacy products were available.

A big red flag has just been waved by PEB if you ever want to see one.

David Darling going public about the SDHB not using their product (because it is free????) to try and apply public pressure - to find the rebuttal from the SDHB that PEB does/did not have its act together - what the heck are the executives paid millions of dollars a year in salaries doing or have been doing????

Why did PEB not simply provide the information required by the SDHB? It cannot be that hard!

One would have thought after 5 years of commercialization and spending tens of millions of dollars (and tens of thousands of free tests), PEB would have the full package of information, clinical test results, evidence, testimonials etc etc to provide in a matter of hours!

PEB - bunch of amateurs let loose with $99m and showing themselves to be the incompetent idiots that they are.

[Arthur]

The going public is a strange thing for PEB. There have been major issues at this DHB and their running of urology. I suspect that the reason the DHB are refusing to allow the test to be used "for free" is that it would show even more incompetence at the managerial level. People have already died while on the waiting lists, the test may well highlight that they have missed several others. Compared to some of the DHB management, PEB, for all of their faults, appear to be managerial genius.

[enzed staffy]

The going public is a strange thing for PEB. There have been major issues at this DHB and their running of urology. I suspect that the reason the DHB are refusing to allow the test to be used "for free" is that it would show even more incompetence at the managerial level. People have already died while on the waiting lists, the test may well highlight that they have missed several others. Compared to some of the DHB management, PEB, for all of their faults, appear to be managerial genius.

Can you statements be factually backed up?
Cx bladder was offered and refused by this dhb well before the urology staffing crisis in which the public suffered . Cx bladder may identify TCC cancer markers but there are many other causes of the presenting symptoms ie haematuria, and these need proper investigation with tests (including cystoscopy) that "beat" cx bladder as the gold standard. As stated a lack of satisfactory research has been presented.

Monitoring for recurrence is another proposed use for the test - again out ranked by 6 monthly cystoscopy.
Free or not it not a miracle cure and what happens after the freebies when the company then starts to charge? the average jo public is not going accept that and neither is the govt going to give you extra funding for it. So where should the money for the tests be taken from? Hips? Dementia?

Im not defending management but there is more to the problems of a public health service than poor management and complaints aired in the somewhat biased media- Im sorry but your statements demonstrate complete ignorance.

disc- bought 28c long time ago, sold 1.20, never going back

[barney]

Basic! PEB cannot even provide SDHB with the 'evidence' required and it is going all around the States trying to promote the product!

Just because it is free does not negate the requirement for basic due diligence and caution by health authorities - one would have thought that PEB knows better.

Excerpt :

''Pacific Edge have approached us in the past and the urology service has promoted the idea. To make this investigation suitable for funding by the public health system there needs to be evidence presented of safety, effectiveness and value for money and this was not provided at that time.''

Oh well, it's back to tick .... tick ....

Boom soon?

Come on now Balance. You know what happened last time you read a quote in the ODT about PEB and thought it was the gospel truth.

[Balance]

Come on now Balance. You know what happened last time you read a quote in the ODT about PEB and thought it was the gospel truth.

LOL - PEB had every opportunity over 5 years to correct any misquotes, given how ODT (until recently times) basically dotted on PEB. Why did PEB not correct?

Could it be because it was the gospel truth?

Irrespective, it was convenient for the sp to go up on the back of that and other positive news and history records that sale of shares were undertaken by the Chairman and CEO subsequently.

But let’s see whether and how PEB responds to this article, shall we?

The SDHB has answered why it turned down PEB’s offer of free tests. Next move - PEB.

Waiting with baited breath to see if PEB has actually learnt anything from the last 5 years, burning through $99m.

[Dentie]

Can you statements be factually backed up?
Cx bladder was offered and refused by this dhb well before the urology staffing crisis in which the public suffered . Cx bladder may identify TCC cancer markers but there are many other causes of the presenting symptoms ie haematuria, and these need proper investigation with tests (including cystoscopy) that "beat" cx bladder as the gold standard. As stated a lack of satisfactory research has been presented.

Monitoring for recurrence is another proposed use for the test - again out ranked by 6 monthly cystoscopy.
Free or not it not a miracle cure and what happens after the freebies when the company then starts to charge? the average jo public is not going accept that and neither is the govt going to give you extra funding for it. So where should the money for the tests be taken from? Hips? Dementia?

Im not defending management but there is more to the problems of a public health service than poor management and complaints aired in the somewhat biased media- Im sorry but your statements demonstrate complete ignorance.

disc- bought 28c long time ago, sold 1.20, never going back

Now come on Staffy... Here's an excerpt from an announcement on Nov 8th, 2018...

"Capital & Coast is the latest in a rapidly expanding list of New Zealand public healthcare providers to incorporate Cxbladder into their clinical pathways for urology services. Capital & Coast joins the recent signing of public healthcare providers Counties Manukau and Tairawhiti DHBs who have signed agreements within the last quarter. These new commercial users join the existing public healthcare providers in Canterbury, Bay Of Plenty/Lakes, MidCentral and Waitemata in their use of Cxbladder bringing the total coverage of New Zealand’s population under contract to more than 60%".

So why would Southern DHB want to be the "odd one out"? Is Mr Nigel Millar suggesting these other DHB's are all wrong? Do you think all these other DHB's would have asked for "evidence presented of safety, effectiveness and value for money" ?

Assuming they are not the arrogant ones thinking they know better than CxBladder itself and maybe they don't have the funds - why wouldn't you at least offer it to your patients and they pay for it? After all, you would normally put your patients best interests ahead of your own wouldn't you?

Nope - I would suggest there is something else going on. Just a basic bit of research on them tells me a lot - they look to be in a bit of disarray. Current Minister of Health's own territory too. I can see why DD can't be bothered with them.

[Carpenterjoe]

Southern DHB won't take up the FREE offer...…

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/d...stance-queried

''Pacific Edge have approached us in the past and the urology service has promoted the idea.
''To make this investigation suitable for funding by the public health system there needs to be evidence presented of safety, effectiveness and value for money and this was not provided at that time.''

Now they have proof of VALUE, effectiveness and safety. I suspect a little public pressure should help things. SDHB is not a great health organisation, but I do not have time or energy to provide more information on this statement.

[Dentie]

I think it is as simple as looking at SHDHB's latest accounts.

Was going to list the problems but frankly too long a list! "Broke" would sum it up. In fact, if I was the CEO or CFO, I'd resign!

But - I suppose it is easy when you are dealing with taxpayer dollars.

In the end, I'm glad my DHB is able to fund CxBladder. I genuinely feel sorry for those poor buggers down south if they get Haematuria.