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03-09-2014, 03:02 PM
#9201
Originally Posted by Harvey Specter
Interesting the WDHB still hasn't signed up - they are the ones that did the trial afterall.
WDHB being Waitemata, Waikato or Whanganui District Health Board. Assuming you mean Waitemata, signed up or included under Health Innovation Hub announcement Feb 10 2014 as far as I can see.
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03-09-2014, 05:36 PM
#9202
Member
PEB up 3.8% and XRO down 2.5% -- that's what I'm talkin' bout!
PEB how beats XRO over the last 1 month and 3 month periods, and is catching up on the 6 month.
Last edited by klid; 03-09-2014 at 05:41 PM.
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03-09-2014, 08:57 PM
#9203
Originally Posted by NewGuy
Why on earth would you want to make a full time career of such a manipulated market?
This in from HotCopper CDY thread seeing as we are on the subject. This will blow your socks off.
The market maker is the strongest trader (sourced from the internet somewhere?) He is the one who takes the other side of a trade and makes a mostly riskless business with the spread, the difference between buy and sell price. Furthermore, he has state of the art equipment, which he watches like a hawk all day in a big room with others doing the same, hoping that many hawkish eyeballs are seeing more than single prey's ones. The market maker is known to be in a strong trading position, as he works for a big company with real money, which other traders fear.
With the capital behind him he is able to drive prices up and down, enticing euphoric investors into high prices and shaking out trembling ones with a loss at low prices. For example, the market maker likes to initiate breakouts. He is buying low within a price range that he even may have formed for that reason, bringing the price to the upper edge and selling higher into the following rush of buyers, who may falsely interpret this breakout as a signal. The same game can be played with first fuelling a trend to an exaggerated level and then bending it around and initiating a swing into the opposite direction.
Here is some more:
A market maker can use hidden orders to avoid disclosing his real intention and to hide large volumes.
A market maker can use large fake order sizes to intimidate traders to run in the opposite direction. This is referred to as NITBB (no intention to buy bid) and NITSO (no intention to sell offer). For example if a market maker wants to run the stock down he will create a virtual institutional size ask putting fear in the traders that the stock is going down. The market maker will then fill his buys at the lower prices. The reverse may also be done.
A market maker may display a real size to show that liquidity is there to attract big interest A market maker may use a fake order of a large size to hold the movement until he is done buying or selling his position.
A market maker can use his real identity or can hide behind an ECN (electronic communication network) depending on his intention. He can make an inside market on both sides and under different identities
Market makers may also trade back and forth among themselves, filling their own bids, creating a large decrease and spooking everyone who is uneducated into selling also.
The market maker (specialist) is granted various informational and trade execution advantages and has a lot of power. They can see everything. WHEN YOU ENTER A STOP LOSS ORDER THE MARKET MAKERS CAN SEE THEM! You may notice from time to time a stock hit a short term low and then move up again.
Market makers will do everything in their power to hit the stop losses to build up more shares for their account if they believe the stock will rise again. A stop loss order becomes a market order when it is triggered. If the volume of the bids are low your stop loss will trigger a much lower sale price and bring the stock down with it (referred to as slippage).
But I suppose you all knew that already.
Have a nice day
Last edited by Minerbarejet; 03-09-2014 at 09:06 PM.
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03-09-2014, 09:15 PM
#9204
Originally Posted by NewGuy
Exactly miner. Trading - especially forex - is a fools errand. There is ABSOLUTELY no way that retail players can ever compete with the big boys. David an Goliath, much?
Probably not the best example NG as David in the original story defeated Goliath, perhaps Moosie is going to also use his favorite weapons, no not a sling and stone but a pair of antlers and a bottle of maple syrup
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03-09-2014, 10:26 PM
#9205
Originally Posted by moosie_900
Good lord you're more cynical than me right now!
And I don't intraday trade like you may think. My trades this year I am more than happy with
I can attest go this. Moosie_900 is too much of a "nervous nellie" to intraday. He may also be a "scared snizz."
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04-09-2014, 11:11 AM
#9206
Member
Originally Posted by moosie_900
Support order to get others to bid up price. All part of the game. These disappear in short order if the SP approaches it. All part of the game
Moosie - credit to you for getting it right. That large bid has now disappeared...
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04-09-2014, 11:45 AM
#9207
Originally Posted by sharp
Moosie - credit to you for getting it right. That large bid has now disappeared...
i thought following the nags was dodgy but im slowly learning there,s more to this game than I thought..not that Im saying all you guys are dodgy
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04-09-2014, 12:03 PM
#9208
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04-09-2014, 12:03 PM
#9209
Member
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04-09-2014, 12:15 PM
#9210
Maybe a quick lift to 90 .....
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