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22-08-2019, 01:54 PM
#1371
Junior Member
Just had a quick squiz through the annual report, jeez that doesn't look good. Burning cash, $400M worth of Goodwill still on the books, only $4m in the bank. Yikes!
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22-08-2019, 02:27 PM
#1372
Originally Posted by Kia21
Just had a quick squiz through the annual report, jeez that doesn't look good. Burning cash, $400M worth of Goodwill still on the books, only $4m in the bank. Yikes!
Can someone please educate me as to what $400M of Goodwill is with respect to Sky ?
Serious question....Science Grad. Thx.
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22-08-2019, 02:51 PM
#1373
Originally Posted by RTM
Can someone please educate me as to what $400M of Goodwill is with respect to Sky ?
Serious question....Science Grad. Thx.
The Goodwill carried on the books comes from back in 2005 when Independent Newspapers Ltd (INL) and Sky merged.
A company called "Mergeco" was set up and purchased all of the shares in Sky, and all of the shares in INL. Mergeco was then renamed SKY NETWORK TELEVISION. As a result, about 1.5B was recorded on the Balance Sheet as an intangible "Goodwill" asset reflecting the INL brand value at the time.
The deal stacked up back in 2005 and gained shareholder approval etc. However the world has moved on, and even though the original INL Goodwill value has been amortised over the years, that remaining asset value was not representative of the true value in 2019.
Sky wrote off $360M of Goodwill last year. They have opted to be even more aggressive this year and write off another $670M. They could have written off less, but opted to rip the plaster off.
Basically, given the state of the media industry and the future direction the company needs to take...writing INL off the books is the right thing to do. It would be disingenuous to pretend that the INL intangibles were still worth over $1B in 2019.
A bold move, but it does mean the bottom line GAAP profit looks terrifying. Underlying earnings and cash flows are not affected at all though.
Hope that helps.
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22-08-2019, 02:57 PM
#1374
Originally Posted by mistaTea
The Goodwill carried on the books comes from back in 2005 when Independent Newspapers Ltd (INL) and Sky merged.
A company called "Mergeco" was set up and purchased all of the shares in Sky, and all of the shares in INL. Mergeco was then renamed SKY NETWORK TELEVISION. As a result, about 1.5B was recorded on the Balance Sheet as an intangible "Goodwill" asset reflecting the INL brand value at the time.
The deal stacked up back in 2005 and gained shareholder approval etc. However the world has moved on, and even though the original INL Goodwill value has been amortised over the years, that remaining asset value was not representative of the true value in 2019.
Sky wrote off $360M of Goodwill last year. They have opted to be even more aggressive this year and write off another $670M. They could have written off less, but opted to rip the plaster off.
Basically, given the state of the media industry and the future direction the company needs to take...writing INL off the books is the right thing to do. It would be disingenuous to pretend that the INL intangibles were still worth over $1B in 2019.
A bold move, but it does mean the bottom line GAAP profit looks terrifying. Underlying earnings and cash flows are not affected at all though.
Hope that helps.
Yes it does, thanks. I was unaware that this had occurred....although I did have some knowledge of where Goodwill comes from. I am pleased it is not from a Television series that they decided not to make, or something like that.
Would they have been prompted by their auditors to do this ?
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22-08-2019, 03:27 PM
#1375
Originally Posted by mistaTea
The Goodwill carried on the books comes from back in 2005 when Independent Newspapers Ltd (INL) and Sky merged.
A company called "Mergeco" was set up and purchased all of the shares in Sky, and all of the shares in INL. Mergeco was then renamed SKY NETWORK TELEVISION. As a result, about 1.5B was recorded on the Balance Sheet as an intangible "Goodwill" asset reflecting the INL brand value at the time.
The deal stacked up back in 2005 and gained shareholder approval etc. However the world has moved on, and even though the original INL Goodwill value has been amortised over the years, that remaining asset value was not representative of the true value in 2019.
Sky wrote off $360M of Goodwill last year. They have opted to be even more aggressive this year and write off another $670M. They could have written off less, but opted to rip the plaster off.
Basically, given the state of the media industry and the future direction the company needs to take...writing INL off the books is the right thing to do. It would be disingenuous to pretend that the INL intangibles were still worth over $1B in 2019.
A bold move, but it does mean the bottom line GAAP profit looks terrifying. Underlying earnings and cash flows are not affected at all though.
Hope that helps.
What were the assets of INL again , the Dominion and what other news papers?
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22-08-2019, 03:55 PM
#1376
Originally Posted by whatsup
What were the assets of INL again , the Dominion and what other news papers?
At one point they owned around 80 publications etc.
But by 2005 they had sold pretty much all of them. They were majority owner of Sky at the time though - and Sky was their main remaining asset after selling off the papers, magazines, Stuff.co.nz etc etc. So the decision to merge was eventually made. And with that merger Sky inherited a large Goodwill asset.
Would have to try and dig into the old Annual Reports to get a more detailed understanding of how the deal was constructed.
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24-08-2019, 10:41 AM
#1377
Originally Posted by clearasmud
Hi guys I'm in today for the divis.
Am I dumb?
Well, I guess that didn’t work out as planned...
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24-08-2019, 03:21 PM
#1378
True.
Why are you so confident with this stock?
Do you have much of a stake.?
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24-08-2019, 03:34 PM
#1379
Originally Posted by clearasmud
True.
Why are you so confident with this stock?
Do you have much of a stake.?
1. I like the business & management.
2. Yes.
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25-08-2019, 01:46 AM
#1380
I have to agree this new CEO is doing pretty much exactly what was needed.
No comment on whether this is priced right though.
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