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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserEyeKiwi View Post
    worth keeping in mind about Forsyth Barr:
    1) their arch rival is heading up the review of takeover offers.
    2) they are backing the NZ players association plans to ruin the NZR silver lake deal. Talking down Sky is another indirect attack on NZR revenue stream (not to mention NZR owns some of Sky)
    very valid points thanks laser.

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    I think part of the issue we have for Sky (in terms of SP) is this false narrative that Sky are faced with ever increasing programming costs.

    The 'analysts' have drawn the conclusion that because there is more competition in the market, and the cost of individual rights have gone up in many cases that therefore the total spend on programming for Sky will have to go up by x% a year ad infinutum.

    That is just not true at all. Each year Sky set a budget on how much programming costs will be. We had a lot of savings due to Covid recently, so the HY1 results had artificially low programming rights. From HY2 those costs will increase to normalised amounts.

    Sky have a budget for a given year of around $350M max I believe on rights. Managements job is to secure as much premium entertainment and sport content that they can for that money. Once it is spent, no more content can be acquired.

    As the cost of rights increase (from competitive forces) what happens is that Sky has to be more picky on what they acquire, keep and let go. So long as they can keep the most compelling content to ensure their bundles are attractive they are fine. There are hard choices they have to make, but fortunately they have a lot of viewership data to leverage in the decision making process.

    We won rugby and had to pay more for that content. So something had to be let go...which turned out to be domestic cricket. But domestic cricket was less critical because we already had the international stuff.

    We secured a new NRL deal, and that cost more...so to stay within budget we have had to let go of the UEFA tournament.

    We are also doing co-exclusive deals where it makes sense to make savings so that we can still go after other content.

    So the total amount that we are spending in content (largely dictated by projected revenue and anticipated operating costs + CAPEX needs) isn't actually changing that much. It is just that we are now unable to win everything and have to be much more deliberate in keeping the 'truly important' stuff. Having the soccer is great, but if only a small percentage of your base are staying up to watch the games then you will let it go if it means keeping the more popular NRL etc.

    And this is why Sky is able to remain cashflow positive (in a big way) even though individual content contracts cost more.
    Last edited by mistaTea; 02-07-2021 at 11:01 AM.

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    Finally sussed the meaning of that gif ogg keeps posting when responding to me

    Its Sophie's offsider slamming the door shut on another potential acquirer - WE ARE NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE so piss off
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Finally sussed the meaning of that gif ogg keeps posting when responding to me

    Its Sophie's offsider slamming the door shut on another potential acquirer - WE ARE NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE so piss off
    Our Sophie doesnt want LOW lifes turning up to the BALL ... when the right offer WALKS IN THE DOOR even you will say well done sophie

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habits View Post
    Our Sophie doesnt want LOW lifes turning up to the BALL ... when the right offer WALKS IN THE DOOR even you will say well done sophie

    Stop calling Ogg a low life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Finally sussed the meaning of that gif ogg keeps posting when responding to me

    Its Sophie's offsider slamming the door shut on another potential acquirer - WE ARE NOT FOR SALE AT ANY PRICE so piss off
    You obviously haven't seen the episode. Short synopsis: Old people still have lots to teach us. Subsequently ignores old person and kicks them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogg View Post

    It's simple:

    Sky owns a house on leasehold land.

    The ground rent is up for renewal in 2025.

    Sky needs to sell the house
    to the grantor for $500m and return the lease.

    If the grantor refuses to pay $500m, Sky can burn the house down so the
    grantor can't profit from it.
    I’m somewhat confused with what is what in this…?

    The leasehold land is NZR broadcast rights? The Grantor is NZR? The house is…skys core business?

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    So anyone want to estimate Sky’s cash balance at present? What would it be growing at every month on average as it continues to not pay dividends? Somewhere in the region of $5-$10 million per month?

    It’s shame they decided to repay the $100 million in bonds back in March with cash instead of re-issuing debt. Could have repurchased half the company in less than 12 months with that cash + expected cashflow.
    Last edited by LaserEyeKiwi; 02-07-2021 at 05:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserEyeKiwi View Post
    So anyone want to estimate Sky’s cash balance at present? What would it be growing at every month on average as it continues to not pay dividends? Somewhere in the region of $5-$10 million per month?
    $6M per month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaserEyeKiwi View Post
    I’m somewhat confused with what is what in this…?

    The leasehold land is NZR broadcast rights? The Grantor is NZR? The house is…skys core business?


    Can't be a appropriate fitting Nicholas Gage entry for this one .. huh ..

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