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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Margins under pressure and loan delinquencies from higher risk loans worse than expected. Both these things are matters I fully expected and are probably already priced into the current share price but we live in interesting times so only time will tell.
    The cause we know was MTF non-recourse loans.
    Turners tightened their lending criteria [april last year],so we should see these MTF loan impairments reducing.
    Car sales margins will remainunder pressure until BuyRight Cars old stock is completely cleared.
    Maybe we will see tighter margins on car sales in future,however finance,insurance,end of life logistics, and property development margins should remain sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Alarm bells;

    "emerging company" (been around for a while now!
    "Forsyth BArr" (kiss of death)

    Interesting that with only 17 days left to go to year end, TRA is not prepared or able to give a trading update?

    Also, while the presentation slides of the half year results (Nov 2018) and the Forsake (Oops - Forbar) are substantially the same, there is one very interesting (and telling?) difference :

    1. Slide 4 of HY19 http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...417/291312.pdf

    "Expecting consolidation in the used car industry'

    Now turns to Slide 7 http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...936/296734.pdf

    Now "Correction / consolidation occurring in the dealer markets which is good for Turners med/long term"

    Good med/long term?????

    Clearly, TRA is being impacted short term then!

    And why should TRA expect to be a beneficiary when barriers to entry in the used car industry is so low?
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    Buy a truck and try to compete with Mainfreight.
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    NZ's most trusted used car brands....Turners and BuyRight Cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Interesting that with only 17 days left to go to year end, TRA is not prepared or able to give a trading update?

    Also, while the presentation slides of the half year results (Nov 2018) and the Forsake (Oops - Forbar) are substantially the same, there is one very interesting (and telling?) difference :

    1. Slide 4 of HY19 http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...417/291312.pdf

    "Expecting consolidation in the used car industry'

    Now turns to Slide 7 http://nzx-prod-s7fsd7f98s.s3-websit...936/296734.pdf

    Now "Correction / consolidation occurring in the dealer markets which is good for Turners med/long term"

    [B]Good med/long term?????

    [/B]Clearly, TRA is being impacted short term then!

    And why should TRA expect to be a beneficiary when barriers to entry in the used car industry is so low?
    Yeap I picked that up too mate and skim read the presentation and interpreted it as basically confirming the downgrade announcement of November 2018.
    None of this surprises me though and is probably factored in to the current share price. Those hoping for an eventual recovery to the former glory days of $3.80+ are in my opinion going to need a GREAT deal of patience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Buy a truck and try to compete with Mainfreight.
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    NZ's most trusted used car brands....Turners and BuyRight Cars.
    BuyRight Cars - most trusted used car brands?

    Says who?

    They certainly advertise a lot but that's a function of scale.

    I can tell you that BuyRight Cars is definitely NOT a quality used car dealer from personal experience! You just have to see some of the crap (high mileage aged Jap cars) they sell on their yard!

    And by TRA's own admission, they bought a bit of a dog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Yeap I picked that up too mate and skim read the presentation and interpreted it as basically confirming the downgrade announcement of November 2018.
    None of this surprises me though and is probably factored in to the current share price.
    Tend to agree with you but one has this nagging feeling that the downgrade is going to be a lot worse than the 5-10%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    BuyRight Cars - most trusted used car brands?

    Says who?

    They certainly advertise a lot but that's a function of scale.

    I can tell you that BuyRight Cars is definitely NOT a quality used car dealer from personal experience! You just have to see some of the crap (high mileage aged Jap cars) they sell on their yard!

    And by TRA's own admission, they bought a bit of a dog?
    From Turners brand research .Nov 2017..[sorry nothing later that I have seen].
    Buy Right Cars Nov 2017;Satisfaction 88%.Likelihood to repurchase 77%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balance View Post
    Tend to agree with you but one has this nagging feeling that the downgrade is going to be a lot worse than the 5-10%.
    They have an official forecast in the market which they subsequently qualified on 27 November. One presumes that the directors know about their continuous disclosure requirements under NZX listing rules ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Buy a truck and try to compete with Mainfreight.
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    NZ's most trusted used car brands....Turners and BuyRight Cars.
    C’mon Percy ...most trusted?

    2 Cheap Cars looks more trusted (8% v 4%) than Buy Right

    Somebody once told me once that the gold standard of most trusted brands is the Readers Digest one.....and that used car dealers aren’t included as nobody trusts a used car dealer to start with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    C’mon Percy ...most trusted?

    2 Cheap Cars looks more trusted (8% v 4%) than Buy Right

    Somebody once told me once that the gold standard of most trusted brands is the Readers Digest one.....and that used car dealers aren’t included as nobody trusts a used car dealer to start with.
    Shades of sentiment clouding judgement?

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    Buy Right cars needs a name change to Better Days Cars lol
    Better days at Larry love used cars, what could possibly go wrong lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VbX22w9qws Come on Percy, you gotta admit it is kind of funny. I guess some of Turners end of life vehicles would fit right in on Larry's car lot
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    "We have recently undertaken market research which shows that the Turners brand stands out strongly as the most "trusted" brand in the used car market and the brand that has the most awareness'.
    Chair and CEO's report page 6 TRA's annual report 2018.
    You must have missed it W69.
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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    "We have recently undertaken market research which shows that the Turners brand stands out strongly as the most "trusted" brand in the used car market and the brand that has the most awareness'.
    Chair and CEO's report page 6 TRA's annual report 2018.
    And the presenation today had a chart of the trusted brands

    Turners score shown as 45% .....Buy Right Cars 4% ...Others pretty trusted at 25%

    Sample was 200

    Awesome chart ....charts like that always give management the warm fuzzies ..but probably doesn’t mean very much at the end of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Buy Right cars needs a name change to Better Days Cars lol
    Better days at Larry love used cars, what could possibly go wrong lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VbX22w9qws Come on Percy, you gotta admit it is kind of funny. I guess some of Turners end of life vehicles would fit right in on Larry's car lot
    Funny very.
    Even funnier is I know a guy importing Larry's stock and making good money doing it.!
    The old Ford parts truck sells for good money.!!

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    Hope the share price doesn’t fall back to 224 today
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