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    You have the other Beagle to thank for that because I barked about the poor binding at the annual meeting. I can't be bothered opining on the change in accounting standard...on holiday and holidays and thinking about accounting standards don't mix as far as I am concerned. If other bean counters enjoy thinking about the effect of accounting standard changes during their holidays then I recommend they seek professional psychological help, urgently lol.

    I can't help noticing however the very soft overall tone to retail sales stat's, (its been all over the media this summer) and second hand vehicle stat's and I remain of the view that people are likely to be disappointed with retail and consumer durables stocks in 2019. I am sure the resident company spokesman still holds the opposite view and that's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    You have the other Beagle to thank for that because I barked about the poor binding at the annual meeting. I can't be bothered opining on the change in accounting standard...on holiday and holidays and thinking about accounting standards don't mix as far as I am concerned. If other bean counters enjoy thinking about the effect of accounting standard changes during their holidays then I recommend they seek professional psychological help, urgently lol.

    I can't help noticing however the very soft overall tone to retail sales stat's, (its been all over the media this summer) and second hand vehicle stat's and I remain of the view that people are likely to be disappointed with retail and consumer durables stocks in 2019. I am sure the resident company spokesman still holds the opposite view and that's fine.
    Refer to my post # 3980.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    So to answer the question I posed:

    "Did accounting standards kneecap the HY2019 result?"

    For NZIFRS 15 the answer is 'no'. But for NZIFRS 9 the answer is 'yes'.
    Profit FY2018 Profit HY2019 Annualized Profit FY2019 Reference
    As declared $23.360m $12.885m
    less Retrospective impairment provision adjustment 0.72 x ($1.212)m My post 3980, this thread
    less Property sale gain Wiri ($3.400)m HYR2019 p22
    less earn Out payment for Autosure to P&L ($0.800)m HYR2019 p22
    less Revaluation Investment Property gain ($0.820)m AR2018 p51
    less Gain on Sale of Property, Plant and Equipment ($1.000)m AR2018 p51
    less EC Credit unredeemed voucher release to P&L 0.72 x ($0.700)m AR2018 p13, HYR2019 p22
    less MTF Shareholding revaluation ($0.612)m AR2018 p67
    less reduction in 'Buy Right Cars' earn out provision to P&L ($2.600)m HYR2019 p49
    less Life Insurance Contract Adjustments ($2.664)m AR2018 p51 and p76
    equals $14.287m $8.685m $17.370m
    Shares on Issue FY2018 Shares on issue HY2019
    84,802,812 89,480,000
    Normalised Annualised Business eps 16.9c (FY2018) 19.4c (FY2019f)

    At the current share price of $2.40, I have TRA on a forecast normalized PE ratio of 12.4 for FY2019. Underlying eps growth for the year should be 15%.

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    Snoops ...when you say kneecap I presume you mean something made the H119 result worse than what was reported ....yes?

    Try hard enough and I trckon you’ll end up showing an outstanding H119 result (v pcp) ....but won’t it all be smoke and mirrors?

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    Hey Snoopy. Average broker forecast for FY19 is here https://www.marketscreener.com/TURNE...14/financials/ eps of just 26.7 cps. Some guy called Ben Graham reckons the right PE for a no growth company is 8.5...not sure how he values companies with declining eps, are you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Snoops ...when you say kneecap I presume you mean something made the H119 result worse than what was reported ....yes?
    What I meant was that because the impairment provisioning is now higher, thanks to IFRS15, then the declared profit for HY2019 is lower than it otherwise would have been under the old rules. It that sense the HY2019 result is worse than the punters might have expected 'all things being equal'. However, because we are now in the IFRS15 era, the declared result for FY2019 will be 'correct' according to the new impairment rules definition. To make a fair comparison, we have to look at what would have happened had IFRS15 been in place over FY2018.

    Try hard enough and I trckon you’ll end up showing an outstanding H119 result (v pcp) ....but won’t it all be smoke and mirrors?
    1/ Yes
    2/ All those adjustments are meant to take away the 'smoke and mirrors'.

    Posted when Post 3984 was incomplete.
    Nah. You were just too quick out of the blocks to answer it Winner. Too much 'on the ball' for your own good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Hey Snoopy. Average broker forecast for FY19 is here https://www.marketscreener.com/TURNE...14/financials/ eps of just 26.7 cps.
    My forecast is lower than that!

    Some guy called Ben Graham reckons the right PE for a no growth company is 8.5...not sure how he values companies with declining eps, are you ?
    But I reckon underlying earnings are going to grow by 15%. That mean my estimated forecast PE of 12.4 is probably justified.

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    Oh dear me what will I do with the increasing fully imputated divies paid quarterly.? 4 cents per share in a couple of weeks will cover the Xmas Visa bill nicely.
    2019...... 17cents per share............7.08% net yield...Golly is that 9.4% gross yield?
    2020.......17.5 cents per share.........7.29% net yield
    2021.......18.5 cents per share.........7.71% net yield.
    With those sort of yields I could be tempted to buy more TRA shares?!
    I note NZ's leading broker expects the divies as follows
    2019,.......17cps
    2020.........18 cps...........................gross yield 10%
    2021..........19cps............................gro ss yield 10.5%.Nice .
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    Is "imputated" something like amputated, like where the company amputates the tax and pays a gross dividend. If the dividend is fully imputed, is the yield the same as full imputated or amputated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    My forecast is lower than that!
    But I reckon underlying earnings are going to grow by 20%. That mean my estimated forecast PE of 11.3 is probably justified.
    Brokers average eps forecast for FY21 is still lower than for FY18. What growth have you manufactured through your convoluted process and are you now in cahoots with Percy lol I stick with a PE of something less than 8.5 due to declining average eps expected over the next 3 years. 8 seems reasonable to me and on 25 cents that makes for an even $2 as fair value.

    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Oh dear me what will I do with the increasing fully imputated divies paid quarterly.? .
    Imputed Percy....Oh I don't know, its such a dilemma but let me help you out... you could try offsetting the next 8-9 years of dividends against the whopping $1.50 in capital loss the shares have suffered in the last year or so lol. When is a dividend not a dividend ? When its paid by raising debt and massively overtaken by capital losses !
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