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  1. #1251
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    Turners settles on Buy Right Cars.
    As Todd Hunter said "the acquisition further grows Turners control of customer origination transactions enabling additional volume into the finance and insurance business.
    What he did not say,yet we know it,sourcing cars from Japan and retailing them is very profitable also.
    A perfect bolt on acquisition,with Turners clipping the ticket all the way from Japan, to the final owner driving down the Southern motorway..

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    Turners, the financial services firm, has bought a one-hectare industrial site in Wiri for $4.8 million to extend its footprint in South Auckland
    http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/d...r-4-8-mln.html

    Interesting that they buy their own land rather doing business with someone like PFI. Didn't think that was fashionable in todays world, although I am pleased to see the reasoning...

    "Acquisitions of strategic property sites are becoming an increasingly important part of the growth strategy for Turners to allow for further footprint expansion as the business grows, and to achieve stronger control over property overheads," Turners said. "As part of this strategy, Turners have previously purchased properties in South Auckland and Christchurch."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    Turners, the financial services firm, has bought a one-hectare industrial site in Wiri for $4.8 million to extend its footprint in South Auckland
    http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/d...r-4-8-mln.html

    Interesting that they buy their own land rather doing business with someone like PFI. Didn't think that was fashionable in todays world, although I am pleased to see the reasoning...

    "Acquisitions of strategic property sites are becoming an increasingly important part of the growth strategy for Turners to allow for further footprint expansion as the business grows, and to achieve stronger control over property overheads," Turners said. "As part of this strategy, Turners have previously purchased properties in South Auckland and Christchurch."
    Makes sense to me.
    Rather than letting PFI or others clip the ticket,Turners just add this to the great number of tickets they are clipping, right through their business.
    Great ticket clippers!!

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    Default Divisional Asset Allocation FY2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    TNR, I think is best considered as a 'hybrid' company. The successful 'Auction & Fleet' business will distort comparisons with other more pure finance companies. So 'Auction & Fleet' needs to be taken out for financial company yardstick comparisons. Do that and the 'deconstructed' TNR business is represented in the table below

    TNR for FY2016
    Assets Liabiliities Shareholder Equity Interest Expense NPAT ROE
    Auctions & Fleet (FY2016) $99.81m $65.58m $34.23m $3.23m $4.44m 13.0%
    Finance, Insurance & Collection Services (FY2016) $262.49m $166.91m $95.58m $8.21m $11.08m 11.6%
    Divisional Total (FY2016) $362.30m $232.49m $129.81m $11.44m $15.52m 12.0%
    The folowing information is more than most shareholders want to know. But it is background information that feeds into the published table above, and which I intend to use again. The first column is taken from the Segmented Information as presented in the annual report.

    Divisional Asset Allocation FY2016
    Assets Elimination Assets Reallocated Corporate Assets Reallocated
    Auctions & Fleet $83.09m 15.96% $57.81m 27.55% $99.81m
    Finance $218.51m 41.96% $152.04m 72.45% $262.49m
    Corporate & Other $219.11m 42.08% $152.45m
    Sub Total $520.71m
    Eliminations -$158.42m
    Total $362.30m 100.00% $362.30m 100.00% $362.30m

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    Default Divisional Liability Allocation FY2016

    Divisional Liability Allocation FY2016
    Liabilities Elimination Liabilities Reallocated Corporate Liabilities Reallocated
    Auctions & Fleet $62.63m 22.97% $53.40m 28.21% $65.58m
    Finance $159.39m 58.45% $135.89m 71.79% $166.91m
    Corporate & Other $50.67m 18.58% $43.20m
    Sub Total $272.68m
    Eliminations -$40.19m
    Total $232.49m 100.00% $232.49m 100.00% $232.49m

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    Default Divisional EBIT Allocation FY2016

    Divisional EBIT Allocation FY2016
    EBT Revenue EBT Corporate Reallocated (A) Interest Expense Liabilities Corporate Interest Expense Reallocated (B) EBIT: (A)+(B)
    Auctions & Fleet $10.009m 67.68% $6.166m $2.626m 28.21% $3.226m $9.392m
    Finance $17.220m 32.32% $15.385m $6.685m 71.79% $8.210m $23.595m
    Corporate & Other -$5.678m $2.125m
    Sub Total $21.551m
    Eliminations $0m
    Total $21.551m 100.00% $21.551m $11.436m 100.00% $11.436m $32.987m

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    I am applying a 'banking covenant' to a non-bank. While not a legal requirement for TNR, this is to enable a comparison with other listed entities in the finance sector (real banks like Heartland for instance ;-) ), so please bear with me. The data below may be found in the 'Consolidated Statement of Financial Position' (AR2015, p32).

    We are looking here for a certain equity holding to balance a possible temporary mismatch of cashflows. The company needs basic equity capital and we are looking for disclosed reserves defined as:

    Tier 1 capital > 20% of the loan book.

    <snip>

    $8.875m / $179.376m = 4.9% < 20%

    => Fail test

    Care needs to be taken in interpreting a result like this. A big increase in Intangible Assets over the year have done the damage to this statistic.

    From note 22 in the annual report, $45.6m of intangibles was brought onto the books with the acquisition of TUA. $30.454m was brought onto the books with the acquisition of Oxford Finance. These companies were bought outright to become profitable acquisitions. A good margin over asset backing was paid because these assets were highly profitable, demanding any buyer to pay a premium. The downside is that should either of these assets suddenly become less profitable than expected an urgent capital raising from TNR shareholders could be required!
    One year on and my fears were not realised. As far as the old Turners Auction business is concerned, profitability has improved so much that the extra earnings stream has allowed more money to be borrowed against those increased earnings. This in turn means more money can be lent from the finance division, because the whole group asset base is working harder. And that benefits the whole Turners group!

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    Default BC3: Tier 1 and Tier 2 Lending Covenants FY2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    I am applying a 'banking covenant' to a non-bank. While not a legal requirement for TNR, this is to enable a comparison with other listed entities in the finance sector (real banks like Heartland for instance ;-) ), so please bear with me. The data below may be found in the 'Consolidated Statement of Financial Position' (AR2015, p32).

    We are looking here for a certain equity holding to balance a possible temporary mismatch of cashflows. The company needs basic equity capital and we are looking for disclosed reserves defined as:

    Tier 1 capital > 20% of the loan book.

    (Dorchester has only Tier 1 capital for these calculation purposes.)

    Tier 1 Capital = (Shareholder Equity) - (Intangibles) - (Deferred tax)
    = $121.002m - $103.595m - $8.532m
    = $8.875m

    The money to be eventually repaid to the company (assets of the company) can be found as assets on the balance sheet. This is the sum total of:

    1/ 'Financial Assets at fair value through profit or loss': $17.350m
    2/ 'Finance Receivables': $142.827m
    3/ 'Receivables and deferred expenses': $5.946m
    4/ 'Reverse annuity mortgages': $13.253m

    For the FY15 year these come to $179.376m

    $8.875m / $179.376m = 4.9% < 20%

    => Fail test

    Care needs to be taken in interpreting a result like this. A big increase in Intangible Assets over the year have done the damage to this statistic.

    From note 22 in the annual report, $45.6m of intangibles was brought onto the books with the acquisition of TUA. $30.454m was brought onto the books with the acquisition of Oxford Finance. These companies were bought outright to become profitable acquisitions. A good margin over asset backing was paid because these assets were highly profitable, demanding any buyer to pay a premium. The downside is that should either of these assets suddenly become less profitable than expected an urgent capital raising from TNR shareholders could be required!
    I am changing my analysis this year so that the financial statistics that I am evaluating are applied only to the financial division of the company.

    I am applying a 'banking covenant' to a non-bank. While not a legal requirement for TNR, this is to enable a comparison with other listed entities in the finance sector (real banks like Heartland for instance ;-) ), so please bear with me. The data below may be found in the 'Consolidated Statement of Financial Position' (AR2016, p26).

    Tier 1 capital > 20% of the loan book.

    (Turners Group (Finance Division) has only Tier 1 capital for these calculation purposes.)

    Tier 1 Capital = (Shareholder Equity) - (Intangibles: less Turners Auctions Intangibles) - (Deferred tax: Assume finance division using up deferred losses)
    = (0.7245x$129.812m) - ($105.338m -$45.600 -$22.859) - $0m
    = $57.170m

    The money to be eventually repaid to the company (assets of the company) can be found as assets on the balance sheet. This is the sum total of:

    1/ 'Financial Assets at fair value through profit or loss': $18.455m
    2/ 'Finance Receivables': $167.598m
    3/ 'Receivables and deferred expenses': 0.7179 x $8.505m
    4/ 'Reverse annuity mortgages': $9.374m

    For the FY16 year these come to $201.532m

    $57.170m > 0.2 x $201.532m = $40.307m (true)

    => Pass Test

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    Hi Snoopy, you do great work, thanks but for the non accountants do you see this company as a hold or buy. I am finding it very hard to find any value in the NZ market.

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    Default BC1: EBIT to Interest Expense Test, FY2016

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy View Post
    Updating for the FY2015 financial year (ended 31-03-2015)

    The underlying interest expense is shown under note 7 (AR2015) to be $7.381m.

    The underlying EBIT is a bit more complicated. There is a $7.058m gain recorded because of the write up in the value of the then Dorchester's existing stake in TUA to 'market bid value' level. But the market bid was made my Dorchester. So Dorchester have in effect bid up the value of their pre-owned TUA shares to a market level that they themselves have chosen. $7.058m is a one off self controlled capital gain that is not repeatable. IMO this should not be included in any underlying EBIT to Interest Expense ratio.

    (EBT +Interest Expense)/(Interest Expense) = [($18.264m-$7.058m)+$7.381m]/$7.381m = 2.52 > 1.2

    => Pass Test
    In recognition of TNR being a hybrid company, I am no performing the EBIT to Interest expense test on the finance section of TNR only (my post 1257).

    Updating for the FY2016 financial year (ended 31-03-2016)

    The underlying interest expense is shown under note 7 (AR2016) to be $11.436m. Of this ( $11.436m x 0.7179= ) $8.210m can be applied to the finance division.

    The underlying EBT for the finance division may be found in the same post.

    (EBT +Interest Expense)/(Interest Expense) = [$15.385m+$8.210m]/$8.210m = 2.87 > 1.2

    => Pass Test

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