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07-11-2018, 11:07 PM
#3291
I will start a Consumer thread so we can debate pros/cons. Apologies for the hijack on here.
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08-11-2018, 08:29 AM
#3292
Originally Posted by Beagle
Perplexed is the correct adjective.
Should be perplexed about the current share price
Trading at 1.2 times book value which is pretty reasonable for a company not making much of a return on its total invested capital (including debt). Some analysts might say not covering its cost of capital
Heartland for comparative purposes is at 1.3 times book value.
At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.
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08-11-2018, 08:33 AM
#3293
Yet their nett interest margin is twice Heartland's,which in turn is twice the Australian Banks'.
Last edited by percy; 08-11-2018 at 08:35 AM.
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08-11-2018, 08:37 AM
#3294
Originally Posted by percy
Yet their nett interest margin is twice Heartland's,which in turn is twice the Australian Banks'.
Good stuff ....just as well it is as high as it is eh percy
Probably have higher bad debts as well
Last edited by winner69; 08-11-2018 at 08:39 AM.
At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.
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08-11-2018, 09:24 AM
#3295
[QUOTE=winner69;736649]Should be ‘perplexed’ about the current share price
Not making much of a return on its total invested capital (including debt). Some analysts might say not covering its cost of capital
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That is one of my dislike with TRA, as far as I can see the cost of capital and the return on capital are both hovering around the 5 to 6%.
For a while now I am trying to figure out why Percy likes this company so much. It looks like the answer is not coming to me just yet.
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08-11-2018, 09:32 AM
#3296
Originally Posted by winner69
Good stuff ....just as well it is as high as it is eh percy
Probably have higher bad debts as well
Not so.Turners as well as Heartland [Marac} have very few bad motor vehicle loans go bad.
Bad debts did increase with poor non-recourse lending via MTF.This has been rectified by Turners tightening their non-recourse lending citeria,so the "bad loans" are running their course.I think maybe another 6 months or so will see the end of them.TRA are no longer dealing with some MTF originators.
Also adding to Turners margin, Turners are no longer putting about $4mil a month of Turners originated loans through MTF.They are putting them through their own Oxford Finance.
From Market Screener TRA's ROE is 11.3%
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08-11-2018, 09:39 AM
#3297
Originally Posted by percy
Not so.Turners as well as Heartland [Marac} have very few bad motor vehicle loans go bad.
Bad debts did increase with poor non-recourse lending via MTF.This has been rectified by Turners tightening their non-recourse lending citeria,so the "bad loans" are running their course.I think maybe another 6 months or so will see the end of them.TRA are no longer dealing with some MTF originators.
Also adding to Turners margin, Turners are no longer putting about $4mil a month of Turners originated loans through MTF.They are putting them through their own Oxford Finance.
From Market Screener TRA's ROE is 11.3%
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12-18 months is the impression I got from the annual meeting as to how long those problematic loans will affect the company.
Ecclesiastes 11:2: Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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08-11-2018, 09:40 AM
#3298
It amuses me looking at the depth chart over the last while, the SP just can't get any traction yet you have a long list on the sell side, not too savvy them sellers.Lol
Last edited by couta1; 08-11-2018 at 09:42 AM.
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08-11-2018, 09:49 AM
#3299
9 months was what Aaron said 3 months ago at the ChCh presentation.
As the agm was after the presentation maybe they revisited the time frame.
What is important is three fold.
1] Non recourse loans criteria tightened.
2]MTF originators sorted?
3]$4mil a month of TRA's originated loans now being put through Turners' Oxford Finance,rather than MTF, with resulting better margin for TRA.
What was not disclosed was the value of these poor loans,or the expected losses from them.
Disappointing,but lesson learnt.They woke up to the problem quickly so I take them as a "one off",and Turners "terms of trade" with MTF and their originators have been clarified.
I find it interesting that both Turners and Heartland now want to be involved right at the start of any loan application.The day of a third party [originator] OKing a loan and then passing it on to Turners or Heartland is over.This will result in even fewer poor loans.
Last edited by percy; 08-11-2018 at 11:39 AM.
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08-11-2018, 09:50 AM
#3300
Huge rally in US markets overnight...wonder if this pup will finally bark... even a little bit ?
Ecclesiastes 11:2: Divide your portion to seven, or even to eight, for you do not know what misfortune may occur on the earth.
Ben Graham - In the short run the market is a voting machine but in the long run the market is a weighing machine
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