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  1. #1961
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waikaka View Post
    Ahh, NZR my perennial pet loser.

    Do I like a business that is super cyclical, debt ridden, needs huge capital expenditure, is a commodity producer with super uncertain future margins. Not really. But I do like it at the bottom of the cycle.

    Market cap got down to ~$130 million
    Debt is 238 million

    Not too worried about decommissioning cost as turning it into a import terminal means that can just sit as a big rusty, expensive contaminated paper weight.

    Regarding NZR land, pipeline and port facilities being worth peanuts, imagine trying to rebuild the port, pipeline tanks and how much that would cost. I don't even think it would be possible to rebuild those assets under the current RMA environment. No other feasibly way to get oil into Auckland other than RAP so it has a unreal moat. So NZR has a 'hidden' infrastructure business storing and supplying imported oil for the upper North Island (40% of all NZ demand)

    In the 2020 annual report they give a hint with estimated fee income of a tolling facility being $100 million a year. I don't have a feel for operational costs to run the system but suspect it is well less than $100 million. Lets say $50 million to run, conservative price to earnings of 15 (feels cheap for what is essentially a utility/infrastructure business) that means what 750 million for the whole enterprise? At its lowest debt and market cap combined was $368 million.

    Things I am worried about and add significant uncertainty:
    1) Terminal conversion is a big uncertainty but we will wait and see on that one.
    2) Setting tolling fees for the new terminal, I worry that NZR is too influenced by the customer shareholders even though they are less than 50% of shareholders now. Hopefully as Naomi James is from SANTOS rather than appointed from one of the shareholder customers some hard nosed bargaining will be done. Particularly around third party usage of the pipeline, badly negotiated 10 year contracts would be a significant burden if they mess up now.
    3) Govt regulations. Labour seems to be flexing on a whole range of industries, particularly unpopular ones. Hopefully they don't whack NZR with a big stick to win some short term political support.

    Things that would be awesome:
    1) Improving margins that means the plant can generate revenue for a few more years to pay down debt before shelving the plant before its next big expense.
    2) The far out there hope that the Govt decides, like Australia is talking about, that having the capability to refine oil is strategic in a national security sense and put a petrol surcharge on to make it happen or even pay to help maintain the strategic storage.

    Pretty disappointed I started buying in before Covid but don't think that can be held against me. As it got cheaper and had the appearances of an underlying business that can be saved I have been buying more. Suspect it will be a few years before this business gets out of the suck.
    A very interesting and sensible post agree with most of it and I definitely think the government will have to keep the refining capacity going ,no matter how P .C .they are ,the future is not really going to be what we think / told it is.

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    Yes, I agree also. The light has almost gone out...but not yet! The positive margins over the last two months is boding well and we'll see what happens.
    Labour and the Greens don't have a clue with some of these things. Better stop there.....
    What makes me laugh is I see on TV recently that we are short of power and that we have to fire up our coal fire power stations at Huntley LOL. What a joke! And they think we should all go electric? Give me a break.
    Last edited by Sharp737; 15-05-2021 at 09:54 AM.

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    We are going to be needing oil and gas for a long time ,and more of it as the team grows .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharp737 View Post
    Yes, I agree also. The light has almost gone out...but not yet! The positive margins over the last two months is boding well and we'll see what happens.
    Labour and the Greens don't have a clue with some of these things. Better stop there.....
    What makes me laugh is I see on TV recently that we are short of power and that we have to fire up our coal fire power stations at Huntley LOL. What a joke! And they think we should all go electric? Give me a break.
    Of course the government doesn’t have a clue and of course we are still in the early stages of the hydrocarbon industrial economy. These are not the arguments.

    The light is out. Positive margins are having zero effect, we are still on the floor. We've been shutdown for a Month. We are running a very different operation with much reduced throughputs and efficiencies.

    This will be very obvious in the upcoming throughput report for March/April

    This is to tide us over until the process of transitioning is complete.

    In any business when ALL your customers want something then you need to provide it, particularly when your customers are also your owners.

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    The market seems to like the latest announcement. Happy to have bought at 49c

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    Quote Originally Posted by biker View Post
    The market seems to like the latest announcement. Happy to have bought at 49c
    Decomissioning $200M? maybe need a cap raise to pay for it? Further outlook looks good though however profit margins will be interesting to calculate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biker View Post
    The market seems to like the latest announcement. Happy to have bought at 49c
    That was very brave then ,and it has worked out well for you well done you

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    Up 10% so far today....!!

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    The old inverse bell curve! !!!

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    This is a definite loser for the past whilst the covids displacement of the airways has been rampant as /if the vaccines change life to summat like normality it should continue to trend up .
    AS will other covid ravaged stocks of course

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