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    Default PBP - Probiotec

    This stock is underreasearched and un-loved.

    Current EPS guidance is for 30% growth.

    However, run rate to date is 112%. Guidance is expected to be revised at the half year.

    This company has the potential to go from $1.45 to $5.00 in 18 months.

    Current p/e is 13x assuming 100% eps growth FY08 p/e is <6.6x

    Pengana... Aussie's best small cap manager have just gone sub with a 6% stake.

    Watch this space.
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    I'll second that, Footsie! I bought a few at $1-33 recently.
    They manufacture and/or distribute some well known pharmaceutical brands - Milton, Lomotil etc. Plenty of info on their website.
    A small company which is gradually shifting from contract manufacturing to higher margin business in its own brands.

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    I have a few of these too. Just a few though - I'd like to see the free cashflows improve, especially on current balance sheet. Considerable "investment" in brands etc over past year.

    Also, lots of inventory said to be buoyed by pipeline fill on Celebrity Slim launch - not sure what the shelf-life is on that product, but I imagine it will be towards the shorter end?

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    celebrity slim is selling like hot cakes. Go to your nearest radius pharmacy. Ask them. U will probably find them out of stock.

    Cashflow. Wait for the half yr. ! I haven't been this confident about a stock since abano . I have shifted a large chunk of my portfolio into pbp
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    I agree re the potential of Celebrity Slim. You should see the bulk stacks in the Priceline pharmacys in Aussie. It has as much space as the rest of the diet products combined!

    Also, a salesgirl at radius in queen st told me she'd lost 2kgs on the programme in the last week and said it's selling fast.

    The issues I have with PBP are:

    1. The high debt levels

    2. The quality of earnings - product development costs are capitalised, meaning increasing present earnings at the expense of future earnings. I would say this is done so that the company is not in breach of EBITDA or NPAT based banking covenants.

    3. The continuing spectre of a large legal liability that will put a big dent in cashflows and result in an increase in gearing for an already highly geared company.

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    Yes, its difficult to quantify the extent of the potential legal liability but from what I can work out, its now a matter of costs, against which the co and its co-defendants are appealing, the damages cost having already been provided for in the accounts and paid. Can anyone confirm or advise?

    At the AGM it was stated that Sales are +40%, EBITDA +63% and NP +113% for the 4 mths to 31/10/07, compared with the corresponding 2006 period, but I note that the previous NP forecast of +30% for the year still stands. We wouldn't expect a revision to that figure after only 4 mths but, as noted, the half year result will be eagerly anticipated.

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    Bummer, I had been picking up PBP lately under $1.20 but the latest announcement caused a bounce! Good news for PBP before half year results due to be released soon...


    11 February 2008
    Probiotec Appeal Successful


    Probiotec Limited has made previous announcements (on 15 March 2007, 16 April 2007, 20 April 2007 and 24 May 2007) regarding its potential liability in a legal action referred to as the Phoscal Claim. In April 2007 three Probiotec group companies were ordered to pay the legal costs of the claimant in the proceedings. As previously advised, Probiotec appealed the decision and also commenced proceedings against its former legal representatives to recover all moneys payable as a result of that judgment.

    The judgment in Probiotec's appeal was delivered on 8 February 2008. Probiotec was successful in the vast majority of its claims. The effect of the appeal judgment is that it has reduced Probiotec's liability from 100% of the claimant's legal costs to 10% of those legal costs. The claimant has also been ordered to pay Probiotec's legal costs of the appeal. Any appeal by the claimant must be commenced by 7 March 2008.

    Probiotec's preliminary assessment is that its liability (which is yet to be quantified) under the appeal judgment will be for an amount estimated to be in the range of $50,000 - $350,000. This is a substantial reduction from the previous estimate of legal costs under the original order of $2.1m - $5m.

    Probiotec intends to continue with its proceedings against its former legal advisers. It considers that it is likely to recover the majority (if not all) of the amount it pays under the revised judgment through this action.

    Probiotec will advise the market immediately once a definitive amount is determined that the
    company is required to pay as a consequence of both its successful appeal and the results of the action against its former legal advisers.

    About Probiotec
    Probiotec Limited is a brand owner, manufacturer, marketer and distributor of a range of
    prescription and over-the-counter (OTC) pharmaceuticals, complementary medicines and
    specialty ingredients. The company owns four manufacturing facilities in Australia and distributes
    its products both domestically and internationally. Products are manufactured by Probiotec for
    both its own products and on behalf of others, including major international pharmaceutical
    companies.
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    Yeah baby, NPAT up a big fat 73%!!!! EPS up 62%!!!!

    http://sa.iguana2.com/cache/75a6c223...PBP-196878.pdf

    Sales Revenue UP 38.7% to $32.81 m
    EBITDA UP 39.9% to $5.52 m
    NPBT UP 69.5% to $3.50 m
    NPAT UP 73.0% to $2.46 m
    Earnings Per Share UP 62.7% to 5.29 cents per share

    Plus 1c maiden dividend declared

    Read da presentation:
    http://sa.iguana2.com/cache/732537b9...PBP-196879.pdf

    Wonder why they didn't upgrade full year forecast?
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    Mgmt is very conservative....
    Which is good in times like this.

    + bulk of $$ come in 2nd half so expect the upgarde to come as soon as they are confident its in the bag.

    surprised it hasnt rallied more.
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    mmm, potentially bad news, further update needed on this one. I sold out of PBP after this news... good luck to holders.

    CLAIM AGAINST SUBSIDIARY

    Probiotec Limited (“Company”) advises that one of its subsidiaries has received a claim (“the
    claim”) from one of its customers, Pfizer Australia Pty Limited (“Pfizer”).

    The claim arises from a recall of product manufactured by the subsidiary using a raw
    material which the subsidiary subsequently found to be counterfeit and the subject of a
    forged certificate of compliance. The subsidiary informed Pfizer of those circumstances
    when it learned of them. The presence of the raw material did not give rise to any health or
    safety issues. The subsidiary acquired the raw material from a reputable Australian third
    party supplier specifically approved by Pfizer to supply the material. It was this approved
    third party supplier who provided the certificate of compliance in question.
    The Company has taken legal advice. Its board believes that its subsidiary has strong
    grounds to defend the entirety of the claim and the subsidiary will strenuously defend the
    claim. Solicitors, senior counsel and a barrister have been appointed to represent the
    subsidiary.

    The third party supplier of the raw material has been informed that the subsidiary will be
    bringing a cross claim against it to recover from that supplier any amount for which the
    subsidiary might be held liable to Pfizer, along with its legal costs. The Company is confident
    that the subsidiary will be held entitled to fully recover those amounts from the supplier.
    The claim does not quantify the damages sought. The Company’s assessment is that the
    limit of any exposure the subsidiary could be found to have is $3 million. The Company
    believes that any such amount will be held payable by the third party supplier. Having
    considered all relevant information presently available, the Company’s board considers that,
    in their final outcome, these proceedings will not result in a material payment by the
    subsidiary, or by any other group company.

    Further updates will be provided to the market as more information becomes available.
    Respect
    TOMMY

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