SKC - Sky City

[Beagle]

So what are experts for?

Might as well disregard all expert opinions out there then if the reference point of all expert opinions is that of the dodgy ones out there!

Remember the experts' testing of 'P' contaminated houses and how it was such a huge gigantic problem? And it turned out that everybody was taken for a multi-mega-million dollar ride by the experts and their testers? Guess on that basis we should ignore ALL drug testing expert opinions.

You are right however to be cynical of expert opinions - just as I am cynical of anything that unions do.

I have actually worked with unions in the manufacturing industry - making mountains out of molehills is what they are very good at, especially to justify their existence.

Workers' welfare? Pike River tragedy (and Andrew Little's role) gives you the best example of how much union bosses really care about the welfare of workers.

As I wrote, 235,000 migrant workers here on temporary work visas - what and how are the unions doing for their members like the poor souls in Sky City so the poor exploited souls, having to work in unsafe degrading conditions, can seek alternative and life rewarding employment? Answer - zilch, nothing, zero.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...cid=spartandhp I'm not the only one that doesn't trust this so called expert "preliminary" report. About 40 people reporting "immediate" health effects from the toxic contamination. How many more might be just coping but will suffer long term health effects ?
From an ESG perspective this incident is an absolute shocker.

[Balance]

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/natio...cid=spartandhp I'm not the only one that doesn't trust this so called expert "preliminary" report. About 40 people reporting "immediate" health effects from the toxic contamination. How many more might be just coping but will suffer long term health effects ?
From an ESG perspective this incident is an absolute shocker.

The union is of course busy shxt-stirring.

There is actually proper due process (proper medical examinations, grievances complaints to the company, complaints to OSH if company does not respond etc) but the union is taking the opportunity with the opportunistic 'workers' to protest before due process?

Yawn - clear that every worker there who had a cold or cough are now lining up - wanting days off and compensation.

What is the union doing about helping these poor souls (if genuine) find alternative employment so they do not need to 'suffer' anymore working under such 'distressing' conditions?

The union must be taking lessons from Andrew Little of Pike River fame?

[Beagle]

At the risk of stating the completely obvious, its not the unions job to find workers alternative employment...that's actually SKC's job if people are unwell and cannot stand the new toxic environment.
SKC if they were a good corporate citizen should be providing medical assistance and assistance with transition to other work.
The unions job is to protect workers rights including ensuring their OSH rights are not being abused.

Fainting and dizziness brought on by toxicity is pretty serious stuff. Must people get cancer or die before you would accept that something very untoward is going on ?
How much was their so called expert paid to prepare the preliminary report that SKC wanted ? Why are the union not being consulted with in terms of the hard data on toxicity ?
Could it be that SKC really don't give a **** about the occupational safety and health of their workers ?

[Balance]

At the risk of stating the completely obvious, its not the unions job to find workers alternative employment...that's actually SKC's job if people are unwell and cannot stand the new toxic environment.
SKC if they were a good corporate citizen should be providing medical assistance and assistance with transition to other work.
The unions job is to protect workers rights including ensuring their OSH rights are not being abused.

Fainting and dizziness brought on by toxicity is pretty serious stuff. Must people get cancer or die before you would accept that something very untoward is going on ?
How much was their so called expert paid to prepare the preliminary report that SKC wanted ? Why are the union not being consulted with in terms of the hard data on toxicity ?
Could it be that SKC really don't give a **** about the occupational safety and health of their workers ?

Rather strange and telling you are so very eager, ready and willing to accept the words of the union and the agitators?

Due process - why is the union not following due process?

Every sympathy and assistance should be rendered to any worker genuinely affected but the union is more pre-occupied with grandstanding - why?

Enuf said about how much then they really care about their ‘workers’!

[Beagle]

I don't have any agenda here Balance. I don't own SKC shares and I am not short them either. I just think they've been a very poor example of an employer and that deserves some oxygen. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Balance]

I don't have any agenda here Balance. I don't own SKC shares and I am not short them either. I just think they've been a very poor example of an employer and that deserves some oxygen. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Due process.

[Beagle]

Firefighters union now backing SKC employees after independent testing shows employees exposed to 3 years worth of cancer causing toxin's
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other...cid=spartandhp
SKC in complete denial. I'm not sure how the board sleep at night...

[hogie]

Firefighters union now backing SKC employees after independent testing shows employees exposed to 3 years worth of cancer causing toxin's
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other...cid=spartandhp
SKC in complete denial. I'm not sure how the board sleep at night...

A union backing another union .. surprise surprise ...

In the meantime the rest of us keep working

[Balance]

Firefighters union now backing SKC employees after independent testing shows employees exposed to 3 years worth of cancer causing toxin's
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other...cid=spartandhp
SKC in complete denial. I'm not sure how the board sleep at night...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/117...ckland-council

Relax, Beagle - I know you have sincere deep concerns for the welfare of the casino workers so here's good news :

Only those directly breathing in the plume were exposed and not one single casino worker was.

"This only occurred inside the smoke plume, and when public alerts were in place advising people to avoid exposure to the smoke," the council said in a statement."

Unless of course they were having a nosey and taking a smoko break in the plume - which will not surprise me!

[Beagle]

"Those experts said the spike in particulate levels in Queen St air – to more than five times national air quality standards – could increase the risk of stroke, lung cancer and cardiovascular disease".
You're right Balance, nothing to worry about whatsoever.

I did sin this week and having promised to avoid the place for ages Mrs Beagle took me to Fortuna as it was some dog's birthday and my goodness, how much do I like a good feed ... so much so that I was prepared to back my own nose for sniffing out trouble. I had my hound sniffer turned right up to maximum sensitivity for even the remotest smell of toxin's or residual fumes and I would have been out of there quicker than a Bishop in a brothel raid if I had of smelt even the faintest trace of anything untoward. I noted new carpet and not even the faintest hint of any funny smell. Even the smoked fish tasted like it had been smoked the normal way, (Mrs B thought I was pretty game to try that lol).

Pleased I wasn't around in town to do any air quality sniffing at the time of the fire. Fortuna looks directly out onto the convention centre. I didn't spot even one tradesman working there, (scores of them last time we were there). Not sure how long it will take them to get go forward with that project again but I would think the fire is best described as a major setback.