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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    She was probably just unwilling to cast the first stone.
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    I'm surprised you haven't started blaming the National Govt of the 1990's for his problems.

    In this age of "no responsibility" it can't be his fault aye?

    He's probably disenchanted that "his people" had there land stolen
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    I don't blame the 1990's National government for his problems, I blame them for yours.
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    Perhaps you should offer to house this "individual" on his release...

    You're a bleeding heart socialist (aka "communist" in disguise)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Perhaps you should offer to house this "individual" on his release...

    You're a bleeding heart socialist (aka "communist" in disguise)
    I have always thought that it would be a good idea to make the Lawyers who defend these guys and basically lie about them to have them live in their house on release. Each Lawyer could have a halfway house placed right next door to them so that they can show that they really mean what they say in court. They should have to share the risk with the rest of society.

    The legal principal of innocent till proven guilty is great but the opposite works in France where you are guilty till proven innocent so it would be a simple matter to change it.

    I am also keen to see a change where if you are in the process of breaking the law then you should have no legal protection. Something like the castle law from Texas.

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    A lot of people have the weird idea that "love", "support" and "being there" for a man will reform him and change his ways.

    It doesn't. Her daughter should have left him when he went to the slammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    Oh? How do you know?
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    cos it doesn't look at the Rehabilitation figures!!!!!!!! It doesn't work!!!! No matter how good the support network and all that crap is. Lets use the money on deserving cases. Kids with cancer and the intelectually handicapped. Not on phyiscally and mentally fit people who choose to make life miserable for the rest of society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    There are probably some for whom it doesn't work... and there are probably some for whom it does. You're prejudging her particular situation. You don't know whether it will work in her particular case. She has the right to try.
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    no she doesn't. People who try are putting public saftey at risk. They are promoting crime as an acceptable thing and absolving the crims of their sins. They are placing the public in harms way and are culpable in every further crime that that person commits.

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    Default 4 February

    So to today’s nomination. The media call them “Bonny and Clyde”. I prefer “Piece of Sh*t 1” and “Piece of Sh*2” but that doesn’t sound sexy enough to sell a newspaper.

    The pair face six charges each, including theft, firing a weapon at police and failing to stop for police, after a police chase on Monday before ending near Palmerston in Otago.

    The three-year-old and a one-year-old the pair had with them are in Child, Youth and Family custody.

    More of the story here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/thepress/4837026a24035.html

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    Boys, boys, you miss the point. Paula gets the award not JUST because she has harboured and fed and defended a crim. She gets it because she wrote letters trying to bully the sentencing judge and parole board (playing the `I am an MP card') and then misled her boss over it.

    Anyway, moving right along.

    Thanks Minimoke for that early nomination. However, I would like to put forward the 2008 defending champions of Scumbags of the Year, the Curtis brothers Michael and Wiremu. Today they are up for sentencing for the torture and murder of little Nia Glassie, the crime that shocked a nation.

    My money's on 25 years non-parole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Placebo View Post
    Boys, boys, you miss the point. Paula gets the award not JUST because she has harboured and fed and defended a crim. She gets it because she wrote letters trying to bully the sentencing judge and parole board (playing the `I am an MP card') and then misled her boss over it.

    Parole Letter.doc (doc, 27 Kb)
    http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddwgxsws_204g8q9b83s

    Sentencing Letter.doc (doc, 30 Kb)
    http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddwgxsws_203gdd8wbfq

    For the life of me, I can't read into these letters the claim of "trying to bully the sentencing judge and parole board"

    IMHO, she was being honest in disclosing her links to the govt, and in fact I believe her own words say it all.

    "I am a Member of Parliament but mention this only to qualify who I am and because to omit this fact seems in itself to be dishonest."

    I guess we all have the ability to see figures lurking in the shadows when it suits us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Placebo View Post
    However, I would like to put forward the 2008 defending champions of Scumbags of the Year, the Curtis brothers Michael and Wiremu. Today they are up for sentencing for the torture and murder of little Nia Glassie, the crime that shocked a nation.
    Not a bad idea but isn’t that either double dipping or double jeopardy. Worthy recipients as they might be they have already had their day in the spot light. Also they did succeed in breaking one life cycle, sad as it might be, Nia will no longer have to be brought up in that neighbourhood of fellow pieces of sh*t.

    Whereas my nominees still have two legacies, now in CYF care who will no doubt grow to be scumbags in the future. My nominees are nurturing recipients for the future – whereas the bros killed off their opportunity for a continued cycle of shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    I don't think she tried to "bully" anyone. She wrote in support of a parole application, and in her capacity as a private citizen, not as an MP.
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    Ahhh come off it! She is never a private citizen - she is an elected representative of the people. There is no way a sitting MP can ever claim to be "a private citizen". I can't believe you buy that claptrap. As soon as you are elected you are a public person. Stating her position in this way, no matter how she tries to dress it up, is an attempt to stand-over those she is writing to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Not a bad idea but isn’t that either double dipping or double jeopardy. Worthy recipients as they might be they have already had their day in the spot light. Also they did succeed in breaking one life cycle, sad as it might be, Nia will no longer have to be brought up in that neighbourhood of fellow pieces of sh*t.

    Whereas my nominees still have two legacies, now in CYF care who will no doubt grow to be scumbags in the future. My nominees are nurturing recipients for the future – whereas the bros killed off their opportunity for a continued cycle of shame.
    Well I guess I haven't defined the rules and we can have two winners. Or in this case, four. But I think you are being wildly optimistic about the future of the Curtis boys and their partners in crime. If there is one truism about this type of person it is that as well as being hopeless criminals they can't control their fertility. Just look at Chris Kahui. No sooner is he acquitted than he's banging the pastor's daughter and got her up the duff.

    You can guarantee that the Curtis boys and Lisa Kuka and Oriwa Kemp and their ilk will be having plenty more kids to (as you put it) continue the cycle of shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Placebo View Post
    You can guarantee that the Curtis boys and Lisa Kuka and Oriwa Kemp and their ilk will be having plenty more kids to (as you put it) continue the cycle of shame.
    Yes – you are probably right. They got 17.5 years which means they will be out breeding in their 40’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    Yes – you are probably right. They got 17.5 years which means they will be out breeding in their 40’s.
    That's just the Curtis pair. Pearson will be out by the end of 2010. The mother, Kuka, will get 10 years.

    Guess I'd make a lousy judge.
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    Update: Kuka got 9 years, not 10.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...0555092&pnum=2

    Sorry Minimoke but your Timaru pair don't have a patch (excuse the pun) on this mob (ditto). The Curtises and their human flotsam around them are truly the lowest of the low. I bet even Hiawatha won't defend them.
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