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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Take off your inward mirror glasses and read some papers, listen to the news, hint theres been alot here lately, look under politics or the new climate change header on stuff, its under your nose.

    Even a blind man can tell when he is walking in the sun.
    You are missing the point JT. When "they" changed the term to Climate Change from Global Warming it became the perfect scam. The climate is always changing. Is carbon the cause? That is the point I'm making. If it is not the cause there is an awful lot of waste and angst over something uncontrollable.


    Furthermore that graph shows temp falling often thousands of years after carbon reduction. Hmm...rising often well before a rise in carbon and falling a long time after a reduction in carbon. Hmm. Maybe...just maybe the link between the two levels is something related to plant and microbial activity at different temp levels or something else entirely?


    I have read widely on the topic and "Stuff"s" propaganda is appalling, much like a lot of it's other content. I have however seen a Nobel physics prize winner question how carbon going from 0.28 to 0.4 of a thousandth of a percent of atmospheric content is going to change things much. This same scientist resigned from the American Physical Society when it claimed that the evidence for Climate Change was "incontrovertible". He said some of the research he had seen was almost entirely lacking Scientific Method, and the modelling allowed for so much variation of outcome that it would be impossible to prove either way, rather than disprove.

    There is a religious like dogma being imposed with zealot converts howling down anyone who dares disagree. That's perhaps the most scary thing here. That and children being indoctrinated and told that their future is doomed.

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    Yeah right and no one landed on the moon. Luckily now we have overcome the conspiracy disease resistance that affects about 7% of our population and we are doing something about this global warming/climate change. Only one planet, nothing will help us if we dont help ourselves. people who dont do ,dont count, they are irrelevant to our worlds future. Donald trump will go down in history as the single most evil person that has ever existed because of his denial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Yeah right and no one landed on the moon. Luckily now we have overcome the conspiracy disease resistance that affects about 7% of our population and we are doing something about this global warming/climate change. Only one planet, nothing will help us if we dont help ourselves. people who dont do ,dont count, they are irrelevant to our worlds future. Donald trump will go down in history as the single most evil person that has ever existed because of his denial.
    Who's your speech writer? Goebbels? Trotsky?

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    Me myself and i.Thats what passion and truth brings out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshuatree View Post
    Me myself and i.Thats what passion and truth brings out
    Sounds like it brings out the pitchforks as well. If we don't agree we are irrelevant? We don't count? We lack patriotism? We are a disease to be eradicated? Some scary s*** in your rhetoric JT. That kind of talk is very reminiscent of Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany and Maoist China. Not many had the spine to question in those regimes either.
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    Just watched a youtube video of the wonderful "Orson Welles Sketchbook", this episode being about his War of the Worlds broadcast and the mass hysteria it produced. People were phoning in saying that Martians had landed in their back yard. The US Navy fleet that was in NYC was recalled from shore leave...amongst many other extraordinary things. Welles says one of the motivations to do the broadcast was to make people think and critique what they were listening to on the radio. He feared people believed anything once it was broadcast...and he was proved right beyond his wildest imaginings.

    It got me thinking regarding the hysteria we are seeing on the topic of this thread, and the lack of critical thought being subjected to the ever more rash
    claims being made in the media, even going so far as to say human extinction is imminent. Things change but they remain the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Just watched a youtube video of the wonderful "Orson Welles Sketchbook", this episode being about his War of the Worlds broadcast and the mass hysteria it produced. People were phoning in saying that Martians had landed in their back yard. The US Navy fleet that was in NYC was recalled from shore leave...amongst many other extraordinary things. Welles says one of the motivations to do the broadcast was to make people think and critique what they were listening to on the radio. He feared people believed anything once it was broadcast...and he was proved right beyond his wildest imaginings.
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    He was indeed. In striving to maintain balance between opposing views, media often present opinion on an equal footing as peer-reviewed academic research. The result is that the general public may end up believing the person they find more "likeable" or "appealing".
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    Just watched a youtube video of the wonderful "Orson Welles Sketchbook", this episode being about his War of the Worlds broadcast and the mass hysteria it produced. People were phoning in saying that Martians had landed in their back yard. The US Navy fleet that was in NYC was recalled from shore leave...amongst many other extraordinary things. Welles says one of the motivations to do the broadcast was to make people think and critique what they were listening to on the radio. He feared people believed anything once it was broadcast...and he was proved right beyond his wildest imaginings.

    It got me thinking regarding the hysteria we are seeing on the topic of this thread, and the lack of critical thought being subjected to the ever more rash
    claims being made in the media, even going so far as to say human extinction is imminent. Things change but they remain the same.
    Time will provide the answer as to who is correct.
    One thing that does concern me is most of the opposition to human responsibility for global warning always seem to originate or be connected to conservative/libertarian think tanks either directly or financed by. We cannot have restrictions on both individual and economic freedom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    Time will provide the answer as to who is correct.
    One thing that does concern me is most of the opposition to human responsibility for global warning always seem to originate or be connected to conservative/libertarian think tanks either directly or financed by. We cannot have restrictions on both individual and economic freedom?

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    It concerns me that most of the panic driven nonsense around climate change is driven by socialists who seem to believe they can control the climate through some taxation or credit exchange scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    It concerns me that most of the panic driven nonsense around climate change is driven by socialists who seem to believe they can control the climate through some taxation or credit exchange scheme.
    And there lies the rub. People urging their local councils to declare "Climate Emergencies" will be the ones to thank for rating charges to combat Climate Change. Taxes that won't make a jot of difference except to our bank balances. Financiers are already making a fortune from the carbon trading scam and the UN will continue to peddle and impose population controls on developing countries. There are multiple agendas driving this, most of them probably not even in cahoots, just opportunists squeezing the general populace as they always have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonu View Post
    And there lies the rub. People urging their local councils to declare "Climate Emergencies" will be the ones to thank for rating charges to combat Climate Change. Taxes that won't make a jot of difference except to our bank balances. Financiers are already making a fortune from the carbon trading scam and the UN will continue to peddle and impose population controls on developing countries. There are multiple agendas driving this, most of them probably not even in cahoots, just opportunists squeezing the general populace as they always have done.
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/1...-of-ignorance#

    The above link explains why sources matter, and without them credibility is zilch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/1...-of-ignorance#

    The above link explains why sources matter, and without them credibility is zilch.

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    Not all scientists are climate scientists. Not all climate scientists agree with AGW theories. There is no proven causal link between climate change and carbon emissions. Most of what you will hear is purely theory.
    I do not know what is right and what is wrong. Neither do you, and neither does science. The answer is decades away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westerly View Post
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/07/1...-of-ignorance#

    The above link explains why sources matter, and without them credibility is zilch.

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    Couple of things about that article. He makes no mention of the funding received by those coming out with pro warming findings either. And it was news to me, but unsurprising really, that Stuff won't publish material from "Deniers". There's some editorial balance for you. I have no opinion on this chap Soon. Never heard of him

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