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    Default "Global Warming"?

    Since the powers that be keep burying this topic past the bottom of page 3 (Okay, polls in the US and Europe now show that global warming/climate change is near or at the bottom of the list of voter concerns) here's another thread.

    Read this - http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30739

    Quite interesting.
    I like the observation that now that Al Gore etc can't point to any actual global warming over the last 10 years they have now switched to quoting energy emissions instead.

    The global warming thesis rests on (a) more carbon dioxide in the air - it's usually around 0.3% of the atmosphere but I've never seen any quotes showing a rise in this level over the last 10 years, it may just be making plants grow bigger and faster (b) a rise in in global temperatures - but they've actually dipped slightly (c) a rise in sea levels - but they continue to rise about 2mm a year as they have for the last couple of hundred years.

    I was interested to see what the reaction was to the UN IPCC bod alleging that "the situation is now much worse than he thought it was". It appears he doesn't have any evidence for this but is playing some dangerous poker game hoping that more sober less left wing people will lose their nerve.

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    Even if global warming were not an issue, energy efficiency is still desirable. Oil, coal, and gas aren't going to last forever.
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    Oh, I agree with that. It's just that I hate to see taxpayers money wasted on a non-issue and industry penalised making us less competitive.

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    Global Warming is just another example of herd instinct or crowd behaviour.
    Politicians believe in it because they have to, populist politics demands it so they're not going to stick their necks out and say it isn't happening.

    A couple of years back it was peak oil, you read about it in the papers every day, now it's a dead duck.

    Large companies especially really hype it up because it's good PR.
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    Thankfully we are about to see the demise of the Green Party with Mumsy Fitsimmons moving on out. That will leave the Greens with little in the way of personality to attract the voter so we’ll see the end of their Global Warming the world is going to end nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    The Green party may well disappear (though I don't think so), but global warming will still continue to occur. The support, by both major parties, for the Kyoto agreement has little to do with the existence of the Greens.
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    No-0ne doubts the climate changes; it's all about whether it is a normal cyclical occurence, or man made through carbon emmissions. The insistence by the Greens, and others, that it is anthropological is quite ridiculous. There is no scientific proof of any of the theories and climate models to back such claims. Current data tends to point more towards a cooling period. Fitzimmons
    was a proponent of AGW theories as though they were proven. So good riddance to her and her ilk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    The Green party may well disappear (though I don't think so),...
    Well you never know – they just need to find another issue. They succeeded on the back of safe food and GE in 1999, GE brought them home in 2002, did well out of Global Warming in 2005, but bombed out on anti smacking in 2008. A food conspiracy might do the job next time round but I suspect the socialists in the party will get more traction from an anti-capitalism approach if the economy is on the skids in 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    That a "crowd" believes something is not in itself a reason for assuming that belief is mistaken. Crowds, no doubt, are sometimes right.
    If by "peak oil is a dead duck" you mean that it's been and gone, you are very likely right. There are many who think that peak oil occurred in May 2005, and nothing has happened since to indicate otherwise.
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    We've already exhausted peak oil on the other thread but the herd's moved on to new pastures.
    Even bermuda, the peak oil supremo seems to have capitulated.
    Matt Simmons has disappeared into the woodwork from being front page news last year so the crowd need to find something new.
    You go back in history, only a few years you'll see the crowd need a cause, the current one being climate change and global warming.

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    I asked my daughter whether not believing in global warming and climate change at school is an option. She told me that point of view is unacceptable.

    Kiwis love a cause.

    If there's more CO2, could have been natural causes e.g. volcanoes
    Back in the '80's there was something causing a worldwide mysterious abrasive effect on certain types of aircraft windscreens, this was finally tracked down to dust from a very large volcanic eruption in Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    No-one seems to be disputing the existence of the so called greenhouse effect. In fact many seem to think that without at least some greenhouse effect the earth would be too cold to support human life. However, with a concentration of around 380 - 400 ppm, CO2 in the atmosphere seems to be at historically high levels, and given the large quantities of the stuff that must have been pumped into the atmosphere through the burning of coal, petroleum derivatives and natural gas during the last 200 years, and which must have contributed to this high level, the theory of anthropogenic global warming can hardly be considered "ridiculous". The theory may be wrong, but if someone claims to be certain of this, he is the one who looks ridiculous.
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    I did not say the theory was ridiculous. The insistence that it is more than a theory is though.

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    I wonder what this extra CO2 is displacing – now there’s a new platform for the Greens –

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    No-one is claiming 100% certainty, just a high probablity. The trouble is we can't wait for certainty bcause if we do nothing and the theory turns out to be right we're in the poo.
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    Really? What are you going to do about the theory that asteroids could wipe the planet out in six years time? Heard the latest that the earth will be overtaken by weeds? Bird flu still a concern to you, or do you prefer sars? Don't panic - even if the earth warms up, it's done it before and guess what? - it survived!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha View Post
    One thing it is not displacing is all the hot air emitted by the deniers.
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    Some of us hope all that hot air will fill the vacuum that is the heads of the AGW protagonists so their brain cell will have company. But at times I fear it is a loosing battle. Look at how many numpties are getting behind Earth Hour this year. Its not just Christchurch City Council (that is showing great flare at spending rate payer cash) but 36 other cities and towns. No doubt there will be even more butt kissing by politicians and corporates this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funguspudding View Post
    Really? What are you going to do about the theory that asteroids could wipe the planet out in six years time? Heard the latest that the earth will be overtaken by weeds? Bird flu still a concern to you, or do you prefer sars? Don't panic - even if the earth warms up, it's done it before and guess what? - it survived!
    There are things you can control and there are things you can't! We should focus on things we can do, like reducing co2 emissions the rewards are great if the 1400 scientist are correct about climate change (or what ever other title you want to put on it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Financially dependant View Post
    There are things you can control and there are things you can't! We should focus on things we can do, like reducing co2 emissions the rewards are great if the 1400 scientist are correct about climate change (or what ever other title you want to put on it).

    We most definitely should not focus on reducing CO2 emissions through the ludicrous and costly schemes currently promoted by various bodies, and rationalised by unproven theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funguspudding View Post
    Bird flu still a concern to you,......
    254 deaths in six years that one is a worry! Terrorists using commercial airliners as a weapon of Mass Destruction is something else I’d put on the list. Or perhaps even using your mobile on a plane!

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