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    It's Official. There is now an International Climate Change Propaganda Cabal. Stuff listed a list of media outlets it has aligned with to "reframe climate change coverage".


    Somewhere news media outlets have forgotten that they are there to report the news, not mould the population to their chosen form.

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    Thanks blobbles. I would have figured about 93-94% as re 6 to 7% of humans are reactive serial denial, conspiracy offenders.Easy to spot

    "1) Depending on exactly how you measure the expert consensus, it’s somewhere between 90% and 100% that agree humans are responsible for climate change, with most of our studies finding 97% consensus among publishing climate scientists."

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    Budget Buster: The problem with 'ethical' consumerism

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/mon...y+29+July+2019

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    Yes hard to change our habits meaningfully after lifetime habits and token attempts.

    This is int ,cant remember where i cited it maybe a w69 link to something else.
    Algorithm Spots Climate-Altering Ship Tracks in Satellite Data

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    "modelled what it would take to convert New Zealand to a net-zero emissions economy by 2050".
    http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/b...y+31+July+2019

    "This ignores non-electricity solutions, such as biomass energy, which also provide additional employment and regional economic growth."

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...y+31+July+2019
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    Its good in theory
    http://www.sharechat.co.nz/article/6...+2+August+2019
    "Forest planting was no more than a 30- or 40-year breathing space. Longer term, industries would need new, low-emissions technologies.

    "If technologies don't turn up, then quite frankly, you're asking a fish to climb a tree and the sector's going to fail. We have to be honest about that," he said. "

    Regarding NZ steel
    "NZ Steel chief executive Gretta Stephens argued for big emitters to be allowed to offset emissions using international sources."
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU181...d-nz-steel.htm
    Pity we didn't have foresight to keep this one owned by NZers
    https://www.lanzatech.com/
    What is this worth now? Why isn't it better known?
    Do they need a more focused marketing team.
    The photo suggests?
    https://www.lanzatech.com/2019/02/20...ive-companies/
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    This should be scaring the bejeesus out of everyone: http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/

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    Quote Originally Posted by blobbles View Post
    This should be scaring the bejeesus out of everyone: http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/
    No mention of snow on the beaches in the southern hemisphere..

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    Quote Originally Posted by janner View Post
    No mention of snow on the beaches in the southern hemisphere..
    How many thousands of years has that snow been on the beach in the southern hemisphere? Apples with apples please...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blobbles View Post
    How many thousands of years has that snow been on the beach in the southern hemisphere? Apples with apples please...
    Nobody knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Nobody knows.
    Well that's funny because I was down South last year and there was no snow on the beach... looks like that falling is just part of the natural water cycle. However the ice that has been trapped for thousands of years and is melting in Greenland at rate faster than naturally expected is a real concern. If only we knew basic physics to understand what is causing greater and greater Northern Hemisphere heatwaves... https://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2018/...a-than-before/

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    Quote Originally Posted by blobbles View Post
    Well that's funny because I was down South last year and there was no snow on the beach... looks like that falling is just part of the natural water cycle. However the ice that has been trapped for thousands of years and is melting in Greenland at rate faster than naturally expected is a real concern. If only we knew basic physics to understand what is causing greater and greater Northern Hemisphere heatwaves... https://blogs.agu.org/geospace/2018/...a-than-before/
    Do you know anyone who has spent the last four billion or so years there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fungus pudding View Post
    Do you know anyone who has spent the last four billion or so years there?
    Don't need to. They have these things called "ice cores" which tell them back far enough to be of consequence.

    Or are you saying that we need to know basically the location of every atom in the universe, at all times in the last 4 billion years before we know anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blobbles View Post
    Don't need to. They have these things called "ice cores" which tell them back far enough to be of consequence.

    Or are you saying that we need to know basically the location of every atom in the universe, at all times in the last 4 billion years before we know anything?
    That would be the "ice cores" that tell us that carbon levels often lag centuries behind temperature rise and carbon levels sometimes fall centuries before temperature drops. But it's all about Co2. Let's spend billions trying to reduce 4 thousandths of a percent of the atmosphere.

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    As explained again and again...

    Carbon can be a driver and follower of temps as the system is complex. There can be a whole lot of drivers of temperature, only the obtuse or ignorant can only see one. What is your explanation for the current increase in temperatures? Magic?

    That tiny trace gas is responsible for all life on the planet. Much like the reduction of ozone which is only 10ppm in the stratosphere. When it was reduced by 30-40% to 6-7ppm, skin cancer rates grew massively and we could barely go out in the sun. If it disappeared we would likely perish as an overwhelming amount of UV radiation would come through the atmosphere. But it's just a trace gas so doesn't matter right?

    Trace gases have a huge effect on us and our climate system. Belief that they don't simply doesn't make sense, verified through direct observation.
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