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20-09-2023, 12:26 PM
#1951
Originally Posted by Rawz
ROE= 4.3%
FCF Yield= 4.2%
I dare not calc the ROIC because i assume its value destruction
Interesting ... my spreadsheet came up with a ROE of 5.7%. While still not flash ... which input do you use to arrive at 4.3%? Did you take out the gains through currency movements?
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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20-09-2023, 12:29 PM
#1952
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Interesting ... my spreadsheet came up with a ROE of 5.7%. While still not flash ... which input do you use to arrive at 4.3%? Did you take out the gains through currency movements?
Yes used npat of $36m not the comprehensive income of $48m
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20-09-2023, 12:33 PM
#1953
BP they generated $24.6m in free cash flow and then pay out $43.3m in dividends. Wow they must be confident in the future
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20-09-2023, 12:37 PM
#1954
At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.
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20-09-2023, 12:39 PM
#1955
Market screener has profit for FY24 at $53m. Trading already behind last year so somehow they will still improve by 47%???? How?
I dont believe it
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20-09-2023, 12:46 PM
#1956
Originally Posted by winner69
I get ROE of 4.3%
It depends on your choice of "return".
I consider gains through hedging as "return" as well, same as I would deduct them from the return if they are losses.
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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20-09-2023, 01:01 PM
#1957
Originally Posted by Rawz
ROE= 4.3%
FCF Yield= 4.2%
I dare not calc the ROIC because i assume its value destruction
I reckon ROIC about 4.9%
Jeez the debt leverage doesnt even increase ROE
PWC say KMD cost of capital is 12.7%
.yes so heaps of value destruction
But no worries
..be all different in a few years time
I take it you not buying KMD
At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.
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20-09-2023, 01:06 PM
#1958
Originally Posted by Rawz
Market screener has profit for FY24 at $53m. Trading already behind last year so somehow they will still improve by 47%???? How?
I dont believe it
Based on past observations are financial forecasts always uncorrelated to what is going to happen - i.e. it makes sense not to "believe" the forecasts collected by market screener (or anybody else) if you want to use them as model for what will happen.
If you use them however as just one possible scenario of what potentially could happen, than I found them as good as any other forecast.
Sometimes I find it useful to just develop a potential scenario which could make a particular forecast happen.
I could see a number of scenarios allowing KMD to improve its profits this FY. Whether they will happen, is another question - but then, I didn't predict in 2019 neither FPH's nor ATM's amazing fortunes (and later downturn), nor did I predict in 2021 the outbreak of Putins latest war and the related company profits or lack thereof.
So, just imagine the world returning to their senses and local as well as international tourism booming. I am sure, KMD would benefit from that.
Imagine a world improving their environmental thinking and moving to buy better stuff (and less often) instead of buying every season cheap junk. KMD would benefit from that.
Imagine a world where more people want to rediscover the outdoors and need the right gear to do that. KMD would benefit from that.
Could all happen, couldn't it? Maybe it depends just on whether you are an optimist or a pessimist?
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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20-09-2023, 01:09 PM
#1959
Originally Posted by Rawz
BP they generated $24.6m in free cash flow and then pay out $43.3m in dividends. Wow they must be confident in the future
Funding headroom of $200m helps make that decision
..cool eh
At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.
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20-09-2023, 01:17 PM
#1960
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Based on past observations are financial forecasts always uncorrelated to what is going to happen - i.e. it makes sense not to "believe" the forecasts collected by market screener (or anybody else) if you want to use them as model for what will happen.
If you use them however as just one possible scenario of what potentially could happen, than I found them as good as any other forecast.
Sometimes I find it useful to just develop a potential scenario which could make a particular forecast happen.
I could see a number of scenarios allowing KMD to improve its profits this FY. Whether they will happen, is another question - but then, I didn't predict in 2019 neither FPH's nor ATM's amazing fortunes (and later downturn), nor did I predict in 2021 the outbreak of Putins latest war and the related company profits or lack thereof.
So, just imagine the world returning to their senses and local as well as international tourism booming. I am sure, KMD would benefit from that.
Imagine a world improving their environmental thinking and moving to buy better stuff (and less often) instead of buying every season cheap junk. KMD would benefit from that.
Imagine a world where more people want to rediscover the outdoors and need the right gear to do that. KMD would benefit from that.
Could all happen, couldn't it? Maybe it depends just on whether you are an optimist or a pessimist?
Imagine a world where Temu exists. And 'made in China' apparel costs even less than it used to.
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