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    Up again this morning (NZ time) things looking good, 2500 here we come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoop View Post
    Winner...I've used your posted chart and overlayed it onto the S&P500 chart below...The black line is the S&P index, the red line is MA200 and the primary trend line (broke 2 years ago) is blue....
    The result wasn't exactly what I expected...I assumed the extreme positive sentiment to be the signal for a major bull market correction or cyclic reversal , however that didn't happen after the June 2014 sentiment peak...There is an eyeball correlation but the degree of the falls can not be predicted..eg comparing the degree of the two sentiment values with the degree of the two falls in the index) that of Oct 07 peak to Oct 08 trough and Jun 14 and Sept15/Feb16

    Another interesting fact is with all the sentiment volatility in the last couple of years the index has moved only about +/- 10%..in other words, investing in the index those last couple of year would have resulted in uncertain mental stress and bugger all $$$ to show for it..

    that's very clever Hoop

    I get the impression the the bullish/bearish sentiment number is rather a reaction as to where the market has recently gone - lagging activity if you get what I mean.

    Eye-balling the chart sentiment turns after the market turns or gains/losses slow down (either way)

    Suppose sort of behaviour you would expect - with markets at reord highs at the moment most are bullish eh

    Nice looking chart - what can go wrong

    Well done
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    that's very clever Hoop

    I get the impression the the bullish/bearish sentiment number is rather a reaction as to market has reently gone - lagging activity if you getwhstbI mean.

    Eye-balling the chart sentiment turns after the market turns or gains/losses slow down (either way)

    Suppose sort of behaviour you would expect - with marketscat reord highs at the monent mostvare bullish eh

    Nice looking chart - what can go wrong

    Well done
    A bit early in the morning to be driking W68 hic

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiora View Post
    A bit early in the morning to be driking W68 hic
    nudging against 2350.... keeps going up cannot see an end to this run up.

    And hits 2350! Another milestone reached... those in index funds must be stoked.
    Last edited by blackcap; 16-02-2017 at 09:47 AM.

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    An ancient (8 year old) bull (second oldest bull in S&P history) achieving a best record run in a quarter century.....Sharemarket theory and DOW theory recommends an Ambulance should be deployed immediately.. travel at high speed to keep up with this raging geriatric demented** bull so to be immediately available to assist when the old fella suffers a coronary arrest and goes balls up.

    Demented**.....Shiller P/E currently at 29.3...the last 140years it has only been higher twice 1929 (32.6) and 1997-2001 (43.2)..all the other high P/E crashed the stockmarket around 25

    With Shiller P/E at 29.3 the calculations say (see box below) that if it takes 8 years to revert back to the mean (16.7) there will be implied future annual return of -1.6% over that 8 years....

    Quote Gurufocus In reality, it will never be the case that Shiller P/E will reverse exactly to the mean after 8 years. Table below give us a better idea on the range of the future returns will be if the market are within 50% to 150% of the mean.



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    So the deduction from my above post...The more S&P rises (PE) from this point, the higher the implied future return deficit.
    Last edited by Hoop; 16-02-2017 at 12:55 PM. Reason: Added (PE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoop View Post
    An ancient (8 year old) bull (second oldest bull in S&P history) achieving a best record run in a quarter century.....Sharemarket theory and DOW theory recommends an Ambulance should be deployed immediately.. travel at high speed to keep up with this raging geriatric demented** bull so to be immediately available to assist when the old fella suffers a coronary arrest and goes balls up.

    Demented**.....Shiller P/E currently at 29.3...the last 140years it has only been higher twice 1929 (32.6) and 1997-2001 (43.2)..all the other high P/E crashed the stockmarket around 25

    With Shiller P/E at 29.3 the calculations say (see box below) that if it takes 8 years to revert back to the mean (16.7) there will be implied future annual return of -1.6% over that 8 years....

    Quote Gurufocus In reality, it will never be the case that Shiller P/E will reverse exactly to the mean after 8 years. Table below give us a better idea on the range of the future returns will be if the market are within 50% to 150% of the mean.



    But its different this time Hoop

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackcap View Post
    But its different this time Hoop
    ...and well positioned too

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    There's some big words here but worth a look if you are also wondering about SP500

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...plicable-surge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baa_Baa View Post
    There's some big words here but worth a look if you are also wondering about SP500

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...plicable-surge
    Word is its Soros. What goes around comes around.

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