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    nice bounce was a good pick i reckon to bounce
    one step ahead of the herd

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    Good on 70 year olds driving their racing cars as fast as they can
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motors...thurst-12-hour

    Good news the 40% plus shareholder in Greencross will be OK and back racing again soon I expect

    Wonder what his wishes are for this shareholding are if next crash doesn't have a good ending
    “ At the top of every bubble, everyone is convinced it's not yet a bubble.”

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    Dropped to 1.60 yesterday and then back up to 1.69.

    I see this one as mostly more of a retail play at the moment with most of the heavy lifting being done by the pharmacy sector. Obviously the long term play is on the healthcare side in NZ of rising population and also the retiree's.

    My rule is to never invest in retail hence I haven't yet got in but tempting it is. Perhaps 1.50?

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    Quote Originally Posted by value_investor View Post
    Dropped to 1.60 yesterday and then back up to 1.69.

    I see this one as mostly more of a retail play at the moment with most of the heavy lifting being done by the pharmacy sector. Obviously the long term play is on the healthcare side in NZ of rising population and also the retiree's.

    My rule is to never invest in retail hence I haven't yet got in but tempting it is. Perhaps 1.50?
    I guess the pharmacies alone are in my view quite inefficient, low (no?) growth and under heavy attack from supermarkets. The stock becomes more interesting if they manage to implement their vision of an integrated health care company, but it looks like the markets don't really believe anymore into their growth strategy. Show us the money - and the SP will take care of itself.

    Not sure what it would be worth just based on the old pharmacy brands. One dollar would bring the long term PE (8 yrs) down to 10 ... and if we just take the last 5 years, than it would be even $1.20. Why pay more?
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    Chemist warehouse continue to apply the pressure

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105...rmacy-industry

    Must be hard for the smaller pharmacy’s that they still have to pay the govt $5 for every script even if they don’t charge the consumer
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Chemist warehouse continue to apply the pressure

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/105...rmacy-industry

    Must be hard for the smaller pharmacy’s that they still have to pay the govt $5 for every script even if they don’t charge the consumer
    They don't have to pay the government ... the article used a particularly strange way to express that the government subsidizes pharmacies in a big way.

    The government calculate the retail cost of the medicine. This calculated retail price is high enough to make sure that even the most inefficient and worst run pharmacy in the country still will make a handsome profit.

    Given that pharmacies are allowed to charge $5 prescription fee is the government than deducting $5 of this fictive retail price - and pay the reminder to the pharmacy for dispensing the medication.

    Any pharmacy working a bit more efficient that the worst run pharmacy in the country makes a steal - and the discounters are prepared to return some of this steal back to the consumer.

    Coming from overseas and with the benefit of knowing some different health systems I found NZ Pharmacies always expensive and highly inefficient. Good to see now some competition coming in.
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    poor old gxh investors hanging in there hoping for a comeback ... unichem maxx not quite the miracle cure then ...

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    According to the latest FS, the company makes 8.4% of profit on sales in the pharmacy segment (bottom line). Not impressive at all, and an introduction of a competitor that sells so much cheaper will lead that down.

    With the current govt in charge and healthcare being viewed as a public good in NZ, its hard to see this being a home run. Even if it does well, regulation will get it eventually (see pay equity deal).

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    6% drop in the last 5 days ... sinking ship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nocomment View Post
    6% drop in the last 5 days ... sinking ship?
    Don't think they are sinking, just coming down from the hype bubble of investors expecting a fast growing and profitable integrated health concern ...

    Pretty sure they will stay afloat ;
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