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02-02-2015, 04:35 PM
#521
Bit of rustling among the leaves on both sides of the Tasman today, a wee stirring of interest maybe ??
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04-02-2015, 09:54 AM
#522
Originally Posted by blockhead
Bit of rustling among the leaves on both sides of the Tasman today, a wee stirring of interest maybe ??
Yep - interesting ground swell - and much more buyers than sellers now on both sides of the ditch, despite slightly retracting coking coal prices (well, retracting in RMB / USD ... obviously given the falling AUD / NZD the balance looks still favourable over here).
Notice as well other Steel / coal suppliers rising (e.g. BHL, though they mine as well oil and other metals)
Maybe the tide is turning after all?
Discl: hold (both BRL and BHL)
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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04-02-2015, 11:34 AM
#523
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Yep - interesting ground swell - and much more buyers than sellers now on both sides of the ditch, despite slightly retracting coking coal prices (well, retracting in RMB / USD ... obviously given the falling AUD / NZD the balance looks still favourable over here).
Notice as well other Steel / coal suppliers rising (e.g. BHL, though they mine as well oil and other metals)
Maybe the tide is turning after all?
Discl: hold (both BRL and BHL)
Not to rain on the parade but this may be due to the recent oil and general commodities rebound on China QE speculation. I wouldn't be holding my breath if CC is linked to oil price as I'm still very bearish on that front...
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05-02-2015, 02:16 PM
#524
Member
In the BRL company update Sept 2014 they stated, "2014 Mine production cash costs- Av. range NZ$75- 85/t ex mine."
In the latest efficiency report they stated, " ...to under NZ$115/t mined."
I'm a little confused here and have asked the question but BRL never reply to emails.
Can anyone enlighten me where I have erred, ie its more expensive to mine after efficiencies are put in place?
Thanks
Last edited by tony64peter; 05-02-2015 at 02:30 PM.
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05-02-2015, 03:00 PM
#525
Originally Posted by tony64peter
In the BRL company update Sept 2014 they stated, "2014 Mine production cash costs- Av. range NZ$75- 85/t ex mine."
In the latest efficiency report they stated, " ...to under NZ$115/t mined."
I'm a little confused here and have asked the question but BRL never reply to emails.
Can anyone enlighten me where I have erred, ie its more expensive to mine after efficiencies are put in place?
Thanks
Well spotted & good question. Potentially it is the difference between break even (just counting cost of sales) and sustainable operation (including overheads). However - why don't you just give them a call? They are here to help:
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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05-02-2015, 03:35 PM
#526
Member
Originally Posted by BlackPeter
Well spotted & good question. Potentially it is the difference between break even (just counting cost of sales) and sustainable operation (including overheads). However - why don't you just give them a call? They are here to help:
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Thanks, On your suggestion I did call and it is as you have stated. Cheers
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05-02-2015, 03:52 PM
#527
Originally Posted by tony64peter
Thanks, On your suggestion I did call and it is as you have stated. Cheers
Thanks for the feedback ... and good to hear that they attend to the phone .
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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18-02-2015, 05:19 PM
#528
Member
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19-02-2015, 06:29 PM
#529
Looks like a nice upwards trend emerging ... and I thought it might be a good idea to establish what the shares might be worth.
So - I took my good old DCF spreadsheet and used the following assumptions:
* production figures as per BRL's latest investor presentation (404 kt in 2015, ramping up to 3Mt in 2020)
* production cost per ton coking coal mined: NZD 115 (as pre the recent "efficiency" report);
* transport and handling to get the coal on ship: NZD 70/ton (this is my weakest data point - I think I remember this number from an old PRC
prospectus, but couldn't find any actual data - any hints appreciated)
* 2 percent annual inflation
* sell price: assuming 3 scenarios: low (NZD200/ton) - medium (NZD250/ton) and high (NZD300/ton).
At this stage the coking coal price is very low - slightly below NZD200)
* given the high risk requesting a return of 16% annually.
OK - and the result?
My BRL share is worth
$0.22 (assuming a long term average coal price of NZD 200 / ton - unlikely)
$0.95 (assuming a long term average coal price of NZD 250 / ton - likely) and
$1.68 (assuming a long term average coal price of NZD 300 / ton - unlikely)
Not bad for a share which is currently available for 3.7 cents ... unless I made some wrong assumptions.
Any constructive comments appreciated ...
Discl: holding (some) - consider owner bias and DYOR
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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19-02-2015, 06:46 PM
#530
Yep... I think you may have some wrong assumptions sorry mate. The best predictor of future coal price is the price now... (finance 101) and that is nowhere near NZD200/ton
Don't get me wrong... I am tempted to dip my wick in right now as well so to speak.
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