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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle View Post
    Those head and shoulders patterns pretty reliable indicators aren't they mate. That, the whole milk powder price and the spooky correlation thereto as well as the significant correction of this sector in Australia all point to a completion of the head and shoulders to just under $1.40. Tough times to be a hgh supporter. Dividend yield should give support, (he says hopefully), in the $1.30's. Hanging in their grimly with a moderate stake at this stage.
    $1.33 is where I first bought into this November 2015. I'm all out now - with a bit of a tear in my eye, this share had some sentimental attachment being the first share I bought when I started getting serious - but I will continue to watch it's progress. Once the downtrend that's been playing out for many months (confirmed in April by my reading of the charts) turns around I'll reappraise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    I wonder how much the lack of easy information available on HGH is putting people off ?
    When I look at ANZ Sec Details screen there is no dividend or yield showing.
    When I try to find it in NZX I get no historical dividends or upcoming dividends.
    No P/E, no eps, no NTA.
    All the history has been erased with the name change.

    Makes it cumbersome to find information. Especially on a scan.


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    I also could not find any history, not much had changed apart from the name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waikare View Post
    I also could not find any history, not much had changed apart from the name.
    A bit frustrating to have lost all that data. Perhaps an unintended consequence of the name change. Or a known outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minimoke View Post
    A bit frustrating to have lost all that data. Perhaps an unintended consequence of the name change. Or a known outcome.
    Quite predictable - happens every time some stupid company decides to change their ticker. But given that even some of the guru investors around here loved the change - I guess there must be as well some benefits for HLB/HBL/HGH - maybe it allows them for some time to hide their tracks and the quite significant downtrend they are in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPeter View Post
    Quite predictable - happens every time some stupid company decides to change their ticker. But given that even some of the guru investors around here loved the change - I guess there must be as well some benefits for HLB/HBL/HGH - maybe it allows them for some time to hide their tracks and the quite significant downtrend they are in?
    Got out of bed on the wrong side again?.
    I do expect better from you.

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    History is still on HLB last time I looked

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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Got out of bed on the wrong side again?.
    I do expect better from you.
    Look percy - I do hold your judgement normally in high regard. Just find it difficult to understand why you are reacting so sensitive on justified criticism of what your beloved HGH (or whatever board) might have done - even if it is just a nuisance to some investors, it was unnecessary.

    And just to make sure - I am not talking about the restructure (which clearly has benefits as well as risks), I am just talking about their need to change their ticker - again - and with that basically erase their (easy to access) history for the investor community.

    Obviously - this is only a small and annoying thing, but something SMT's and boards really love to do annoying things for no good reason. Create a new name and a new ticker is just setting something like a monument for whoever is running the show at the time. Probably shows they are just human.

    Give me only one benefit for Heartland to have again a new ticker!

    There are no benefits at all to HGH and it is predictably inconvenient to investors. And sure - the more serious ones will have the relevant data history anyway in their system (or know how to still access it), but it will stop some new investors to consider them for some time.

    But hey - this seems to be so much more important to you than to me, so I will try to stop annoying you with this subject.

    Apologies for any annoyance caused ...
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    It’s not Heartlands fault that broking / info sites can’t cope with a ticker code change (even though a new entity has been created)

    Vent your fury out on them if one feels so aggrieved
    “Just consider that maybe the probability of you being wrong is higher than you think.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    It’s not Heartlands fault that broking / info sites can’t cope with a ticker code change (even though a new entity has been created)

    Vent your fury out on them if one feels so aggrieved
    Exactly.
    Heartland would have betrayed shareholders, had they not "restructured" to take advantage of the ongoing huge growth they are experiencing with their offerings in Australia lead by their Reverse Mortgage business.

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    I light of the discussion and in case some other holders are using Sharesight, this may be of interest:



    "Hi XXXXX,
    Heartland Bank has completed a corporate restructure.
    We’ve created a step by step guide on how to handle Heartland Bank Limited restructure to help you handle this acquisition in your Sharesight Portfolio.
    Handle Heartland Bank Limited restructure

    If you have any questions, we’re happy to help.
    Cheers,
    The Sharesight team"

    Here is the link https://help.sharesight.com/heartlan...d-restructure/
    Last edited by iceman; 22-11-2018 at 11:15 AM.

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    Whilst we are all aware of the recent downward trend of Heartland - my take is this is not specific to Heartland, with many shares significantly down - many got ahead of themselves including Heartland.

    There are also macro headwinds such as the Royal commission, with Heartland getting unfairly wrapped up in the negative bank sentiment. This will pass however is dragging on a bit.

    But if anything Heartland has made positive moves towards further growth - chasing the Reverse Mortgage market, which is even better with major competitors exiting this market.

    I surmise Heartland fore sore impending difficult conditions and has focused on chasing proven and accelerating growth sectors, hence the restructure.

    Discl - Holder and investor from the beginning.

    Each to their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred_Rubble View Post
    Whilst we are all aware of the recent downward trend of Heartland - my take is this is not specific to Heartland, with many shares significantly down - many got ahead of themselves including Heartland.

    There are also macro headwinds such as the Royal commission, with Heartland getting unfairly wrapped up in the negative bank sentiment. This will pass however is dragging on a bit.

    But if anything Heartland has made positive moves towards further growth - chasing the Reverse Mortgage market, which is even better with major competitors exiting this market.

    I surmise Heartland fore sore impending difficult conditions and has focused on chasing proven and accelerating growth sectors, hence the restructure.

    Discl - Holder and investor from the beginning.

    Each to their own.
    Well recent research [latest out today] from NZ's two lending brokers agrees with you.
    So do I.
    We are "well positioned."

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    Goodness gracious me ......HGH on a real roll

    Who knows might be a double headed head and shoulders pattern ....does such a beast exist

    Onwards and upwards ..possibly Aussie investors catching on the potential here
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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Goodness gracious me ......HGH on a real roll

    Who knows might be a double headed head and shoulders pattern ....does such a beast exist

    Onwards and upwards ..possibly Aussie investors catching on the potential here
    End of month squaring up today could be having an effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winner69 View Post
    Goodness gracious me ......HGH on a real roll

    Who knows might be a double headed head and shoulders pattern ....does such a beast exist

    Onwards and upwards ..possibly Aussie investors catching on the potential here
    Thats the beauty of a new ticker / HGH chart. Its well off the low and rapidly approaching all time high. Happy days.

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    Dairy prices up a tad overnight ....HGH share price upna tad this week

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    Aust news report on the dangers of reverse mortgages. HGH is going to have to tread very carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Left field View Post
    Aust news report on the dangers of reverse mortgages. HGH is going to have to tread very carefully.
    Heartland have been treading very carefully.So carefully they are recommended by Consumer.
    To get a REL you have to have legal and family consent.
    Heartland has to explain fully what happens if you need to go into care,want to sell your house and move into a smaller house,etc, etc.
    The process takes a month or more, and that is one of the major reasons the major banks are exiting this sector.

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    Interesting how few loans referenced in that article (small market for the size of Oz?) and the ASIC comments to avoid! No wonder the big banks shying away, they're experts at risk avoidance.

    I've not thought too much about Heartlands foray into the Oz market as I've been solely focused on monitoring the SP for a decent re entry price. But now I'm wondering whether it's becoming one of those 'ethical investment' questions.

    Much to ponder.

    To Percy, no need to respond, you're thoughts are well publicised.

    I'm interested though what others think. Is this a market and company worth investing in for the long term. I'm having doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percy View Post
    Heartland have been treading very carefully.So carefully they are recommended by Consumer.
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    Oh no - wheres that thread that was going to be set up on Consumer. I value Consumers view less than I do a Brokers

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