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27-06-2016, 06:20 PM
#7821
It is a fact that companies whose ROE and eps increase,have the capacity to pay increasing dividends, will see their share price increase.
In today's environment of on going low interest rates, the market is looking for companies with strong balance sheets,that are paying good dividends,and have the capacity to increase them.
I see Heartland fitting the bill on all measures.
No need for flicking coins when you have done sound research.I leave that to Tossers.
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27-06-2016, 06:22 PM
#7822
Originally Posted by percy
No need for flicking coins when you have done sound research.I leave that to Tossers.
Well put :-)))
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28-06-2016, 09:33 AM
#7823
Originally Posted by percy
It is a fact that companies whose ROE and eps increase,have the capacity to pay increasing dividends, will see their share price increase.
In today's environment of on going low interest rates, the market is looking for companies with strong balance sheets,that are paying good dividends,and have the capacity to increase them.
I see Heartland fitting the bill on all measures.
No need for flicking coins when you have done sound research.I leave that to Tossers.
Has Brexit realy changed anything with regards to new zealand....the potential down the track maybe with regards to higher interest rates, but for now nz will keep trucking along....we will get trade deals with europe and britain on similar terms as now....bargains abound on the nzx
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28-06-2016, 09:53 AM
#7824
Impairment Provisions: Hero or Zero?
Originally Posted by Snoopy
A problem is bank balance dates provide a snapshot of what is happening. But a 'snapshot of impaired assets' is just that. Impaired assets are dynamic and changing. From an investment perspective I want to know what will happen in the future.
For this morning's 'question of the day' I am reverting to my favourite subject - impairment :-) - and specifically the non-core property portfolio of FY2013 (or is that the non-core dairy portfolio of FY2017).
Now, a Heartland banker who makes an impairment provision is seen as
A/ prudent, far sighted, managing debts to best practice and responsible.
OTOH a Heartland banker who has to write off a loan is seen as
B/ reckless, lacking in due diligence, ill disciplined and squandering resources.
Now the curious bit. At the end of the day whether a loan is written off in advance by 'provisioning' or written off immediately in an 'expense' makes no difference to the long term position of Heartland bank. So my question is, are Heartland's senior loan managers best characterised by A/ or B/ ?
SNOOPY
Last edited by Snoopy; 28-06-2016 at 09:54 AM.
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28-06-2016, 09:54 AM
#7825
Originally Posted by ziggy415
Has Brexit realy changed anything with regards to new zealand....the potential down the track maybe with regards to higher interest rates, but for now nz will keep trucking along....we will get trade deals with europe and britain on similar terms as now....bargains abound on the nzx
Well, yes - BREXIT has changed some things re NZ markets:
* NZD went up ... i.e. reserve bank likely to further drop interest rates.
* British consumers have less money (due to dropping pound sterling) - i.e. British consumers can buy less (including from us). This will impact our exports as well as tourism; Might impact as well on our housing market (potentially more UK immigrants but with less money), which may or may not be a good thing;
* British unemployment is going to rise (well, this is not just common sense, but as well what the crown analysts predicted (check out the links hoop posted) - i.e. less money for the British consumer - consequences see above.
* NZ just negotiating a free trade deal with EU. Getting too cosy with Britain during this time might impact on our chances to be successful with the continent. Will be an interesting balancing act;
Still agree, that we have at this stage likely some bargains in our stock market ... this is unless the British disease is spreading.
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"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" (Niels Bohr)
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28-06-2016, 10:03 AM
#7826
Originally Posted by Snoopy
For this morning's 'question of the day' I am reverting to my favourite subject - impairment :-) - and specifically the non-core property portfolio of FY2013 (or is that the non-core dairy portfolio of FY2017).
Now, a Heartland banker who makes an impairment provision is seen as
A/ prudent, far sighted, managing debts to best practice and responsible.
OTOH a Heartland banker who has to write off a loan is seen as
B/ reckless, lacking in due diligence, ill disciplined and squandering resources.
Now the curious bit. At the end of the day whether a loan is written off in advance by 'provisioning' or written off immediately in an 'expense' makes no difference to the long term position of Heartland bank. So my question is, are Heartland's senior loan managers best characterised by A/ or B/ ?
SNOOPY
Good question
I reckon A ........as long s it's seen as proactive provisioning to smooth earnings growth
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28-06-2016, 11:10 AM
#7827
Originally Posted by ziggy415
Has Brexit realy changed anything with regards to new zealand....the potential down the track maybe with regards to higher interest rates, but for now nz will keep trucking along....we will get trade deals with europe and britain on similar terms as now....bargains abound on the nzx
Brexit and Heartland.
Funding;Unlike the Aussie banks HBL does not rely on any European wholesale funding.So no funding problems for Heartland,who have 38,000 individual depositors,19,000 of whom have been with Heartland for 10 years or more..
Interest rates;Should interest rates increase all banks, including Heartland, will do well as their margins increase.
....................;Should interest rates stay low,Heartland has been steadily improving their net interest margin over the past four years and that looks set to continue.
......................With their capacity to grow dividends [projected to be 9cents per share fully imputed for 2017] ,strong equity ratio,I would think investors will be attracted to Heartland.From what I have read The Reserve Bank of NZ is more likely to reduce interest rates than increase them
Last edited by percy; 28-06-2016 at 11:22 AM.
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28-06-2016, 04:53 PM
#7828
Originally Posted by percy
It is a fact that companies whose ROE and eps increase,have the capacity to pay increasing dividends, will see their share price increase.
In today's environment of on going low interest rates, the market is looking for companies with strong balance sheets,that are paying good dividends,and have the capacity to increase them.
I see Heartland fitting the bill on all measures.
No need for flicking coins when you have done sound research.I leave that to Tossers.
If everyone was an Accountant, then you would be right.
But people can become panicked. DON'T PANIC!
Markets can go all over the place.
However, we can be thankful that Heartland runs on cash borrowed in NZ. PLUS that they have a pretty diversified loan book.
The sp can go up, or more likely down. Since we in NZ cannot escape a Global Meltdown...Or even heavy rain.
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28-06-2016, 04:53 PM
#7829
Originally Posted by Snoopy
For this morning's 'question of the day' I am reverting to my favourite subject - impairment :-) - and specifically the non-core property portfolio of FY2013 (or is that the non-core dairy portfolio of FY2017).
Now, a Heartland banker who makes an impairment provision is seen as
A/ prudent, far sighted, managing debts to best practice and responsible.
OTOH a Heartland banker who has to write off a loan is seen as
B/ reckless, lacking in due diligence, ill disciplined and squandering resources.
Now the curious bit. At the end of the day whether a loan is written off in advance by 'provisioning' or written off immediately in an 'expense' makes no difference to the long term position of Heartland bank. So my question is, are Heartland's senior loan managers best characterised by A/ or B/ ?
SNOOPY
You forgot option C - With great reluctance and after a great deal of time has passed and considerable forbearance has been shown, reluctantly doing what is only done as an absolute last resort because all possible efforts aimed at recovery, rescheduling, restructuring, refinancing or otherwise avoiding recognising a loss have been completely and utterly exhausted and the loan has irrevocably failed with absolutely no chance whatsoever of even a partial recovery. This is only done after all channels of recovery have been fully exhausted including any proceedings taken against guarantor's if any and liquidation of all assets held as security.
That's how most finance companies and banks operate.
Last edited by Beagle; 28-06-2016 at 04:59 PM.
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28-06-2016, 08:42 PM
#7830
Originally Posted by Roger
You forgot option C - With great reluctance and after a great deal of time has passed and considerable forbearance has been shown, reluctantly doing what is only done as an absolute last resort because all possible efforts aimed at recovery, rescheduling, restructuring, refinancing or otherwise avoiding recognising a loss have been completely and utterly exhausted and the loan has irrevocably failed with absolutely no chance whatsoever of even a partial recovery. This is only done after all channels of recovery have been fully exhausted including any proceedings taken against guarantor's if any and liquidation of all assets held as security.
That's how most finance companies and banks operate.
Meanwhile, of course, the loans have been 'rolled over' so that it can be claimed that there are Zero loans in arrears. The loan book is Healthy. Do Not Worry.
But.............at the back door those in the know are lined up for their cash.
I hasten to add that I think Heartland is pretty solvent, and I am not selling atm.
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